RedeyeAV8r

Clutch.............We never had Min Pay per day.

The ALPA 1 TA had something close......but was not ratified.
The Ca$$el TA (FPA #1) gave up MPDP-E and changed the definition of "TRIP". Fortunately that was not ratified either.
FPA TA #2 Which was partially Negotiated by George Sees got MPDP-E back as well as current definition of "Trip". He tried very hard to get Min Pay per Day as did Chementi this time..........but no dice.

With FPA TA #2 or current contract We did lose TRIP RIG as we went from a 7 hour day to a 6..............1-3:43 down to 1-4:0
The current contract failed to stop Trip Rig Washout.which is what I think you are referring to pay in a long INTL trip.
This TA didn't stop wash out either but the PAY for Block above 8 will help.

And I are a Marine 2...

clutch

.....thanks fot the input...i guess what i'm referring to is that we didn;t have trip rig washout before the cassell contract if we flew over 7 block hours in any leg of a trip....i was always told that was min pay per day prov...i'm no lawyer...that's prob evident.. alot of fancy def's give me a headache really quick....thanks again jarhead...bottom line...i feel it's a great improvement in almost all areas...and for me i'm supporting it...although i respect the folks who disagree..take care.semper fi...."towards the guns Marines"...

130JDrvr

Clutch,

I've been here awhile to and know that we never had MPPD. When they changed the 7CH day to a 6CH day for TAFB/Trip Rig they also increased the pay rates so that the pay would be the same. Then they applied the pay raises to the 6ch day rates. I flew the 11 under the FCH and was always paid TAFB. There was never an add on for legs over 7 hours.

Past....

Busdrivr

"we flew over 7 block hours in any leg of a trip....i was always told that was min pay per day prov."

If what you mean is Min pay per "calendar Day" as far as I know, in my 20+ years here, we have never had that.

clutch

...well..i guess we'll agree to disagree...but the 8 hour reduction from the current 10 hour requirement for any hard time pay that won;t be triprig washedout is def a great improvement...along with the 3.75 trip rig...nice for long trips as well....i've read that the company did a cold run on the schedule with these new scheduling improvements will decrease our average work days per month by 1.5 days for tafb trips as currently scheduled...and to that i say great work by our guys....i'm not a lawyer...and i know i'll never be on any negotiating comm...i'm glad we had the guys we had doing that...take care...

RedeyeAV8r

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
The change in Trip rig will be programmed into the Optimizer with all the new rules. Believe me trips will look different. My bet is the cold start didn't have the 13 hour High/low spread in lines factored in. Plus the company will continue to look and reprogram the optimizer as they find cost savings solutions. Why do you think there is a 1 1/2 year Trip rig transition? Thats just the Company doing business. They will want to extract a productivity gain for the increase in Trip Rig Pay. I Don't like it, but hey that is their job.

One thing I am still researching and haven't totally found it yet.

What worries me is the increase in 2 leg INTL duty periods.
HKG-KIX-ANC
IND-FRA-DH CDG
PVG-ICN-ANC
EWR-CDG-DHFRA
CDG-FRA-BOM
FRA-CDG-DEL

The good new is these all pay over 8 block hours so at least will will get something for busting our balls...........

What I am looking for ( so far haven't found it) is hidden language that would exempt the company from paying the over 8 bonus if the 2nd leg is a Deadhead. In other words any DH would not count towards the above 8 bonus
........Has anyone seen any landmine of this type. That would be a Big Loophole.

Just like the hidden language in our current contract that sez the company can schedule us 2 hours over normal limit if the last leg is a DH.

Anyone going to a road show......this is a worthwhile question.

fecav8r

Maybe those things will show up in the Q and A portion of the contract like they did last time..

130JDrvr

Clutch, I do think we have quite a few improvements on this contract. As far as more international multi leg days.... these will probably increase as the international system grows. Not because the CO. tweeked the optimizer but because they now have more options to fly you after you get legal crew rest. Unlike the days of ANC-NRT (25 hr LO) NRT-HKG (25 hr LO) then about the only flight they had was HKG-ANC either the 76 flt or the 12 flt.

When I went to the 11 we had 20 of them. Now we have about 50. intl is now just becoming a big domestic system form... Good for all of us! (The more flying not the intl hub turns!)

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2cylinderdriver

Anyone elso thought about the loss of sick time ? Just like vacation, if the average monthly BLG goes up, say 3.5 - 4 hours that is an extra 42-48 hours of "work" each calendar year. Our 72 hour bank will no longer be good for 12 days of sick unless you call in sick for 12 - 1 day MEM trips. This is a HUGE recapture of sick leave productivity. Anyone see it different ?

clutch

...well i think that is a great question....and one that i haven;t even thought about but could really mean a big difference...there sure seems to be alot more int deadheading now...you know...because of the past optimizer use...which never seems to let up....it's hard to say how the int system is going to play out...with the new rules... remember the company example of the bid pack that was supposed to reflect the new work rules of the last contract...yeh right.........but..i've found that the guys who know this stuff(p2p etc).. are more than willing to inform....trust but verify...take care...semper fi....