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Old 08-12-2011 | 07:21 AM
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I didn't say the A-310 is operating at a loss, just not a money maker
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Old 08-12-2011 | 11:31 AM
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I didn't say the A-310 is operating at a loss, just not a money maker
It's a money maker. All of our planes are in the black, even the MD-10 conversion. Some are just more profitable than others.
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Old 08-12-2011 | 04:45 PM
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I didn't say the A-310 is operating at a loss, just not a money maker
mmm-kay....
So, no loss but no gain, i.e. we're flying them around breaking even.

You still haven't explained the math on this or why we're supposedly doing it.

I'm with MX727 on this one.
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Old 08-15-2011 | 05:41 AM
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I don't know one way or the other, but I can imagine needing the lift for reliability even if the individual aircraft are not efficient enough to make money every leg.
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Old 08-15-2011 | 06:03 AM
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I'm sure we're having trouble making money on the 727s if the A310 is iffy. But I don't know. You have to mention both if you think any airplane isn't making money. Not to mention that poor reliability would push business to a competitor and cause a loss of profit.

The A310s may guarantee extra capacity to locations that a large business requires when we sign a commitment to provide service. So, in that regard, they may be generating a profit. Some markets can't take a narrow body.

Ever have a old car that you keep fixing up, or just tolerate the bad gas mileage, because you want to push buying a better one off? May be expensive now but cheaper in the long run.

The 787 rollout and 767 tanker program will create 767 buying opportunities for the patient.
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Old 08-17-2011 | 08:40 PM
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[QUOTE=MaydayMark;1034518]Don't forget we need to get them back because they did such a fine job negotiating the payrate for our last new airframe!*?

I am not happy with the job those guys did with the pay rate, I am curious though, where in the world was our ALPA national advisors to tell them "you never tie a pay rate to a specific airframe and especially one that is not even in revenue service anywhere, much less on our ramp!"
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Old 08-18-2011 | 05:30 AM
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I am not happy with the job those guys did with the pay rate, I am curious though, where in the world was our ALPA national advisors to tell them "you never tie a pay rate to a specific airframe and especially one that is not even in revenue service anywhere, much less on our ramp!"
The advisors are there, willing and waiting. But you have to seek and listen to their advice.

That was our problem in 2006.
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Old 08-18-2011 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
The advisors are there, willing and waiting. But you have to seek and listen to their advice.

That was our problem in 2006.
Good point, when you have the largest ego in the room I guess it is hard to listen to others!
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Old 08-21-2011 | 12:57 PM
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Default 767 Announcement? Boeing vs. Airbus......

Wasn't there supposed to have been an announcement by now?
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Old 08-21-2011 | 01:06 PM
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I have been told the announcement will come at the end of September. Shareholder's meeting on the 26th, My money is on that Monday, or by the end of that week.
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