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Old 08-01-2011, 01:15 AM
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Since this forum is filled with rumor and innuendo...and I'm bored this evening...let's discuss interesting rumblings coming out of Mempho that are secondhandedly corroborated at Boeing that we have a deal in place to buy 80-120 767-300ERs. Announcement in September and Boeing can provide us with 10 per month if we'd like. These would be a 1 for 1 replacement for the MD-10.

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1) How could this work?
2) What size bid, if any?
3) How would Cologne be impacted by this, if at all?
4) If it is a 10 replacement and maybe depending on the number of options we get, a Bus replacement, what does the future of the 11 look like in MEM, LAX, ANC either by themselves or in combo?
5) Potluck question here...discuss.

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Old 08-01-2011, 01:54 AM
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One thing I hope Fedex has learned is that you don't sell a ready made cargo jet to someone who can instantly turn them into your competition, ie Peoples Expresses. Turn them all into homes for the fish. Now that's a lot of new reefs........
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:25 AM
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I think the really interesting question is whether the 767 would be dual typed with the 757 or 777?
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The 757 and 767 are a common type rating. I'm not sure where guys are getting the 767 and the 777 are going to be the same type. Maybe the confusion is coming from the fact that the 767-400 has a similar cockpit to the 777 but it's still a 767.
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I flew 767-300, 767-200 and 757s interchangeably. I see huge advantages for the company to buy the 767-300 so as to have a common type with the 757. Domestic fleet flexibility for scheduling would be very nice......for scheduling. Same thing for mixing them into Europe with the CGN base and 757s. This has also been beaten to death on other threads, but we should be paid for what you fly, or the highest rate if on reserve.

Very interesting. I'll believe it when its painted purple and parked on the ramp along with the hundreds of purple painted new-hires we are supposed to hire.
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It will definitely be dual typed. That will save the company big bucks and much flexibility. The 76 will be the junior WB since you will be making less when operating the 75. That's the way Delta operates I believe. We should just get rid of the NB pay scale entirely on this round of negotiations. All WB. Problem solved. It seems to work at UPS. This too would probably save the company money since people will probably settle into their niche and not keep chasing the dollar.
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I've only heard it was the 767-400ER, not the -300ER. The cab driver in Narita told me the -400 has a similar cockpit to the -777, but it different from the 757 hence no common type. He also said it has a longer fuselage and broader wingspan than the -300.

To quote the Boeing website: "The 767-400ER is an ideal replacement for L-1011, DC-10-30 and A300 airplanes that are no longer economical in today's highly competitive business environment." Which would make sense if it's planned to replace the MD-10s and the A300s.

Was that a typo Manny or did you specifically hear -300 vs -400? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Originally Posted by purpledog View Post
It will definitely be dual typed. That will save the company big bucks and much flexibility. The 76 will be the junior WB since you will be making less when operating the 75. That's the way Delta operates I believe. We should just get rid of the NB pay scale entirely on this round of negotiations. All WB. Problem solved. It seems to work at UPS. This too would probably save the company money since people will probably settle into their niche and not keep chasing the dollar.
Hey PD,

DAL has 3 common type/ same pay categories. All flying is paid at the higher rate.......it is negotiated in the contract. I agree that Purple 75's should be brought up to Wide Body rates ; or at the very least, established as a " large Narrow Body " with an appropriate bump above 72 rates.

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Originally Posted by 2005 Blues View Post
I've only heard it was the 767-400ER, not the -300ER. The cab driver in Narita told me the -400 has a similar cockpit to the -777, but it different from the 757 hence no common type. He also said it has a longer fuselage and broader wingspan than the -300.

To quote the Boeing website: "The 767-400ER is an ideal replacement for L-1011, DC-10-30 and A300 airplanes that are no longer economical in today's highly competitive business environment." Which would make sense if it's planned to replace the MD-10s and the A300s.

Was that a typo Manny or did you specifically hear -300 vs -400? Inquiring minds want to know.
There is only one type rating for the 757/767, including all models of each. As far as I know, that is and checked the FAA site. The guys at Continental fly the 767-400 on the very same type rating as we have for purple 757/767 rated pilots. The level of differences training and how they segregate the flying (or not) IDK. I think the FAA though is clear, there is not a B767-400 type. Will FDX try to get the "common" type with a 777? We have done it before....
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Originally Posted by FedElta View Post
Hey PD,

DAL has 3 common type/ same pay categories. All flying is paid at the higher rate.......it is negotiated in the contract. I agree that Purple 75's should be brought up to Wide Body rates ; or at the very least, established as a " large Narrow Body " with an appropriate bump above 72 rates.

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We made the 57 pay "narrow body" so we could have A380 pay rates that have benefited those that bid it so well

Why would we want to screw those guys just to make the 57 pay better?
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