Maybe this is part of what Jack was talking about. That f/o should have had his phone stuck far up his ass by YOU about 4 seconds into that conversation. That type of stuff doesn't wait for the debrief. Self policing, mentoring, etc. Personally, I'd rather be chewed out by a Captain than Jack or Cheever. Nip it in the bud.

 

That's correct. But the worst part of it is: after sliding off the taxiway (it was an ice event in MEM), they manned up another jet and went flying!!

If that had been any one of us, we'd have been jerked out of the seat and sent to the sim for a PC. Double standard.

 

I work for somebody else but that phone stuff is just plain rude never mind a bit unsafe.Guys like that deserve an instant response.

 

Actually, most of the FO's on the MD-11 accidents were new. The 2 MD-10 gear incidents were new FO's. If the Professional RFO's are such a problem, why do they pass their 6 month and annual checks.

Who's problem is it?

We have had 7 accidents........we still have the same Director of Safety.

We still have the Same senior Flight MGT.

We still have the Same MGR of flt training.

Where is the problem?

 

He's 59 3/4. We just got done with negotiations. He's been CP the whole time I've been here (almost 5 years). He's got to be BEAT. Maybe he's just whipped down and tired.

I made a point to a friend that with 4800 pilots, 1% of the crew force screwing up once a year means 48 incidents a year. So...even doing a 99 % effective job once a week he's got a missed trip, lost passport, busted line check, etc etc. Year after year it adds up...and one day you boil over.

Perhaps the captain's who don't want RFO pairings aren't the only ones who should downbid. Maybe its time for a new CP with a bit less stress and some fresh blood.

And no--this ain't personal...but I SURE would hate to have that job 5 years...regardless of pay.

 

RedEyE, Got to agree with you on this one. Every time I see EL I wonder how the hell he has kept his job?? The other thing is FDX prides themselves on the hiring process, maybe we need new people in the hiring department. JL go away already

 

I've known Jack for over 20 years. I'll always cross a crowded room to greet him and he the same to me. We agree on how the world works and how things should be no more than 50% of the time. Sometimes he loses his cool and pops off like he did this time.

But I think we have to give him credit for doing a thankless job for 5 years. I can't think of a job I'd want less than chief pilot and especially chief pilot during contract negotiations. He's the first real CP that's sat in that office since Fato was there. He didn't apply for the job: Cheever twisted his arm and enlisted all his old Navy buds to tell him he had to do it. He's not afraid to tell the VP he's full of cr@p and he's not afraid to tell the crew force when he thinks we're getting off course.

Criticize him all you want, but I'd much rather have a guy like him in the front office than:

• A non-seniority chief pilot
• An egoist who really wanted the job

I think Jack was shootin' from the hip on this one. I just don't think he cleared leather.

 

I dunno, I didn't think the Captain thing was too bad. I like a guy with whom you know where you stand. He doesn't bullsh@t around. Though I am not a kid, and he is not my parent, I would hate my parenting skill to be judged only by the time I "lost it" with my kids.

I didn't take it personally because I didn't think I was the target. I think we need tougher skins now and then.

 

Can someone post the F/O letter,\... the captains can't see it...

 

World, thanks for saying something to your FO. That's just unsat. And I see alot of Capts who don't say anything to numbnuts or me when we "F" it up -- and we all "F" it up occasionally, through errors of omission or commision.

I was recently on a trip as RFO and the FO messed up all 3 of his decents; planning, speed control, everything. Capt had to intervene and "make recomendations" twice. I asked later how long he'd been in the jet and if he bid RFO. Been in the jet 2+ yrs and avoided RFO. I suggested bidding RFO and watching and maybe LEARNING SOMETHING!