JLs FO LETTER
10-15-2006 | 03:38 PM
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Awesome appliation to the occupation! I literrally had to hold myself from falling off my seat laughing!
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11-24-2006 | 01:29 PM
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Sounds like the combination of the MD-11's inability to handle very much side load on landing, coupled with new guys in the right seat, coupled with some older (more senior) guys bidding RFO to work on their frequent flier miles may be a slight problem
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Why not create a "cruise pilot" position. These guys would only occupy the seat during the cruise portion of the flight, and never for takeoffs or landings. That would allow them to concentrate on button pushing, while the "real" pilots would operate the controls for the more critical phases of flight. That would, IMHO, satisfy some of Jack's concerns, and at the same time, allow for a more rested flight crew on long or multi-leg night time trips. It could provide for a whole new pay scale, and with so many of us retiring in the next few years, would allow the company access to a group of pilots, with lots of experience, at a minimal cost. Then our first officers could hone their flying skills, not their "sitting in first class" skills.
Anyway, just a thought.
. Why not create a "cruise pilot" position. These guys would only occupy the seat during the cruise portion of the flight, and never for takeoffs or landings. That would allow them to concentrate on button pushing, while the "real" pilots would operate the controls for the more critical phases of flight. That would, IMHO, satisfy some of Jack's concerns, and at the same time, allow for a more rested flight crew on long or multi-leg night time trips. It could provide for a whole new pay scale, and with so many of us retiring in the next few years, would allow the company access to a group of pilots, with lots of experience, at a minimal cost. Then our first officers could hone their flying skills, not their "sitting in first class" skills.
Anyway, just a thought.
11-24-2006 | 06:09 PM
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Identify yourself Airbusdriver. And I don't really know if I was kidding about that "cruise pilot" or not. It works well at KLM. It could work well here. For the most part the bus is immune from the RFO issues, but trust me, they are substantial. Anyway, again, just a thought.
11-24-2006 | 06:47 PM
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Besides, almost anything beats sitting in the back, watching two other guys flying the jet. It just goes to show that a case can be made for almost anything. Even educating some terrorists.... well, maybe not that one.
11-24-2006 | 09:03 PM
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Sounds like the combination of the MD-11's inability to handle very much side load on landing, coupled with new guys in the right seat, coupled with some older (more senior) guys bidding RFO to work on their frequent flier miles may be a slight problem.
Why not create a "cruise pilot" position. These guys would only occupy the seat during the cruise portion of the flight, and never for takeoffs or landings. That would allow them to concentrate on button pushing, while the "real" pilots would operate the controls for the more critical phases of flight. That would, IMHO, satisfy some of Jack's concerns, and at the same time, allow for a more rested flight crew on long or multi-leg night time trips. It could provide for a whole new pay scale, and with so many of us retiring in the next few years, would allow the company access to a group of pilots, with lots of experience, at a minimal cost. Then our first officers could hone their flying skills, not their "sitting in first class" skills.
Anyway, just a thought.
. Why not create a "cruise pilot" position. These guys would only occupy the seat during the cruise portion of the flight, and never for takeoffs or landings. That would allow them to concentrate on button pushing, while the "real" pilots would operate the controls for the more critical phases of flight. That would, IMHO, satisfy some of Jack's concerns, and at the same time, allow for a more rested flight crew on long or multi-leg night time trips. It could provide for a whole new pay scale, and with so many of us retiring in the next few years, would allow the company access to a group of pilots, with lots of experience, at a minimal cost. Then our first officers could hone their flying skills, not their "sitting in first class" skills.
Anyway, just a thought.
11-25-2006 | 06:30 AM
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From: MD-11 Captain
ALPA wouldn't allow it as they need the higher dues dollars and an ERP position (as UAL used to call it on the 747 rope start) would certainly pay less than the current WB F/O pay rates. I am convinced it's the answer to our current accident problems but it'll never happen here at FredEx.
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