Cappy Parking 727s Next Month?
12-02-2012 | 12:07 PM
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It depends on what "white" birds you're talking about......
Vision Airlines parked their three ex-UA 767-200s there when they lost the CIA contract out of IAD. Maybe that is what you're talking about?
However, ABX has been doing something out of SDF the last week (still trying to find out who the flying is for). The flights are:
ABX2618 SDF-MHR-HNL
ABX9770 HNL-SDF
I assume they are using N315AA for the flights since that is one of the only -200 ETOPS birds at ABX and it is all white with very little ABX stickers on the tail and fuselage.
Could be either one I guess.
Vision Airlines parked their three ex-UA 767-200s there when they lost the CIA contract out of IAD. Maybe that is what you're talking about?
However, ABX has been doing something out of SDF the last week (still trying to find out who the flying is for). The flights are:
ABX2618 SDF-MHR-HNL
ABX9770 HNL-SDF
I assume they are using N315AA for the flights since that is one of the only -200 ETOPS birds at ABX and it is all white with very little ABX stickers on the tail and fuselage.
Could be either one I guess.
12-02-2012 | 01:26 PM
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It depends on what "white" birds you're talking about......
Vision Airlines parked their three ex-UA 767-200s there when they lost the CIA contract out of IAD. Maybe that is what you're talking about?
However, ABX has been doing something out of SDF the last week (still trying to find out who the flying is for). The flights are:
ABX2618 SDF-MHR-HNL
ABX9770 HNL-SDF
I assume they are using N315AA for the flights since that is one of the only -200 ETOPS birds at ABX and it is all white with very little ABX stickers on the tail and fuselage.
Could be either one I guess.
Vision Airlines parked their three ex-UA 767-200s there when they lost the CIA contract out of IAD. Maybe that is what you're talking about?
However, ABX has been doing something out of SDF the last week (still trying to find out who the flying is for). The flights are:
ABX2618 SDF-MHR-HNL
ABX9770 HNL-SDF
I assume they are using N315AA for the flights since that is one of the only -200 ETOPS birds at ABX and it is all white with very little ABX stickers on the tail and fuselage.
Could be either one I guess.
Let me give you one guess....Secondly, you need to get a life and stay off the flighttracker. You're like a stalker.
12-02-2012 | 02:08 PM
#144
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Secondly..... What a Di*k. Just because I like to keep tabs on a few airlines that operate the 767-200 doesn't mean I don't have a life. I keep tabs because I like to see the if there is any growth and such. Why don't you mind your own business; you don't know me, my motivations, or my back story.
A question was asked and a question was answered. Either post something constructive or go back to trolling around the countless FedEx topics on APC and leave the ATSG ones to those who actually are involved.
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12-02-2012 | 02:23 PM
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Sadly, I don't think this one is gonna fly. From listening at the crew meeting the other night, I think some guys are really attached to the extra few bucks per hour for the international override and the bonus pay for carryover and 1 - 6 training days per year. 
WOOOHOOO - 6 extra days of pay for me! Oh man, you're only getting $243 a week on unemployment...man, that sucks. Sorry about that dude. Hey, gotta run...got a PTY trip....gonna rake in an extra $27.50 for that baby! Catch ya later OK?
Even though the changes are to be temporary in nature, the vibe that I picked up on was, 'THIS' is where we draw the line in the sand.
Temporary minor pain if you ask me to keep up to 18 'Brothers'
employed.
WOOOHOOO - 6 extra days of pay for me! Oh man, you're only getting $243 a week on unemployment...man, that sucks. Sorry about that dude. Hey, gotta run...got a PTY trip....gonna rake in an extra $27.50 for that baby! Catch ya later OK?
Even though the changes are to be temporary in nature, the vibe that I picked up on was, 'THIS' is where we draw the line in the sand.
Temporary minor pain if you ask me to keep up to 18 'Brothers'
employed.I hear what you're saying but I think there's a flaw in the argument. I am struggling with finding a way to say what I'm thinking without sounding like an insensitive bastard. Although most people think that about me anyway. I want to try to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
12-02-2012 | 02:34 PM
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I hear what you're saying but I think there's a flaw in the argument. I am struggling with finding a way to say what I'm thinking without sounding like an insensitive bastard. Although most people think that about me anyway. I want to try to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
12-02-2012 | 02:53 PM
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I hear what you're saying but I think there's a flaw in the argument. I am struggling with finding a way to say what I'm thinking without sounding like an insensitive bastard. Although most people think that about me anyway. I want to try to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
Great idea about starting a non-profit. I'll donate to it. Much better than throwing money away by just giving it to Hete.
12-02-2012 | 03:02 PM
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I hear what you're saying but I think there's a flaw in the argument. I am struggling with finding a way to say what I'm thinking without sounding like an insensitive bastard. Although most people think that about me anyway. I want to try to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
Let's start with the statement by nightfr8dog that ABX is currently overstaffed by 5 to 7 pilots. This seems to be supported by the information that is available to rank and file pilots.
There are a large number of ABX pilots already on furlough that want to come back. In fact, another 7 or so are going to Join the list when their furlough from ATI begins next week.
The pilots who are already furloughed and the surplus pilots at ABX who have been informed they will be furloughed are all surplus ABX pilots. The only difference is that the ones who are getting furloughed from ABX this month are still getting a paycheck.
Our seniority rules determine the order in which people get to come back when the need for pilots increases.
When the union or management meddles with the process, the process breaks down. If the pilot group decides to pay the company to keep pilots on the payroll who are not needed, the pilot group is interfering with the natural order. They are selecting one group over another. The only fair option is to leave it alone and let the process run its course.
The real questioned is "what is gained by altering the process? and, what is lost?" Of course, if you are one the people directly affected by this, there will be an emotional component to deal with.
I am very sympathetic for the pilots who have been suffering through being furloughed for a long time AND for those who will live through that demoralizing fate in the future. If I could do something that would really help save their jobs I would not hesitate. This deal here is a lie. The only group it helps is management. ABX is trying to get soft hearted pilots to give money to the corporation under the false premiss that they will be saving jobs. Also, management gets a bonus by getting to keep lower paid pilots while excluding higher paid pilots.
My advise to pilots who might consider this out of a sense of guilt or charity is to start a non-profit charity to benefit furloughed pilots and donate the money they are considering donating to ATSG corporation to their charity instead, because that's all this is. This proposed LOA does not benefit the pilots. It is ONLY a gift to a cynical management group that has never given us any respect or any other decent human treatment.
Don't fall for the lie!
IIRC, UPS pilots voluntarily gave and it helped mitigate the number of furloughs UPS wanted. So, it's proven to work. You sound like a greedy senior pilot that doesn't want his gravy train derailed.
12-02-2012 | 03:24 PM
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Haha. Maybe they should start a Save the Hete Foundation. They can have TV ads with sally Struthers crying about how Joe might not even clear $2 million in compensation this year. Maybe callers can symbolically adopt Joe through their contributions of CBA concessions.
12-03-2012 | 08:32 AM
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Sadly, I don't think this one is gonna fly. From listening at the crew meeting the other night, I think some guys are really attached to the extra few bucks per hour for the international override and the bonus pay for carryover and 1 - 6 training days per year.
WOOOHOOO - 6 extra days of pay for me! Oh man, you're only getting $243 a week on unemployment...man, that sucks. Sorry about that dude. Hey, gotta run...got a PTY trip....gonna rake in an extra $27.50 for that baby! Catch ya later OK?
Even though the changes are to be temporary in nature, the vibe that I picked up on was, 'THIS' is where we draw the line in the sand.
Temporary minor pain if you ask me to keep up to 18 'Brothers' employed.
WOOOHOOO - 6 extra days of pay for me! Oh man, you're only getting $243 a week on unemployment...man, that sucks. Sorry about that dude. Hey, gotta run...got a PTY trip....gonna rake in an extra $27.50 for that baby! Catch ya later OK?
Even though the changes are to be temporary in nature, the vibe that I picked up on was, 'THIS' is where we draw the line in the sand.
Temporary minor pain if you ask me to keep up to 18 'Brothers'
employed.
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