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Old 12-19-2013 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlybyKnite
Took a nap, so I'm good for at least one post.

Can't believe that a company with so many ex-military folks they can't figure out the increased DSA equation. If you've been in Gov't service, your know your budget $$ are only good for the current fiscal year-- you either USE IT or LOSE IT! And we became well practiced in the art of spending in September.

So, it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to apply the same principle to DSA accounts and come up with a plausible theory. If you don't use it before your exit the building, you Lose It . So what is at stake for someone who will never get to 686 hrs? Assume 500 hour DSA @ 15year seniority: narrow body FO = $81,000 and wide body Capt = $130,000. Quite a [hidden] windfall for the company!! (Think accepted fares).

Perhaps if the company wants to solve this math problem, they should consider some type of DSA payout when you exit the building. I mean it's not too late, we are in Section 6 negotiations. Wait!-- I'm hallucinating -- need another nap!
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Old 12-19-2013 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FlybyKnite
Perhaps if the company wants to solve this math problem, they should consider some type of DSA payout when you exit the building. I mean it's not too late, we are in Section 6 negotiations. Wait!-- I'm hallucinating -- need another nap!
Sort of reminds me of the United Captain, who after 38 years of seniority, the vast majority of which was very, very senior flying, finally retired. The company threw him a going-away party and a large number of pilots, as well as many management types attended. After the presentations and food were done, he got up to the microphone and thanked everyone he'd flown with for keeping him out of trouble, he thanked United Airlines for a very stable and profitable career, and then he paused for a second before he shared his final thoughts with the group. He said: "I've had a great run here, but I leave with a heavy heart, because I've left 18 minutes in my SICK BANK. With that, he walked off the stage to gigantic applause from the pilots and utter silence from the management guys. Classic.

I'd bet if he could have gotten paid for those sick hours, he'd have actually flown his trips for his last year or two. Just saying.
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Old 12-19-2013 | 05:54 PM
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I'm not so sure that paying for unused sick time is a good thing. As cheap as we are as a group, how many incredibly sick folks do you think you'll be flying with who are trying to maximize their DSA for maximum retirement buy back? I think this may be one of those issues best left alone.

Like the United captain. Just use it…when you need it.

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Old 12-20-2013 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MacGuy2
I'm not so sure that paying for unused sick time is a good thing. As cheap as we are as a group, how many incredibly sick folks do you think you'll be flying with who are trying to maximize their DSA for maximum retirement buy back? I think this may be one of those issues best left alone.

Like the United captain. Just use it…when you need it.

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That is a valid point. I don't want to see the older guys dying or getting seriously sick on trips because they are working through sick, trying to maximize pay. It's a moot point anyways, I think. The company will never pay for unused DSA, it costs too much. They are merely interested in people using it as little as possible, therefore the push to discourage its use. If it works, I wonder who will be getting a bonus over this.
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Old 12-20-2013 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pipe
This whole policy is an ill-advised play by the flight management cubicle farm. I wouldn't be surprised if the larger corporate entity comes asking about the flight ops spike in health care costs.

Remember, the company pays the health care costs directly. Our co-pays are a drop in the bucket. The company is paying big bucks for frivolous doctors' notes. As a shareholder or an officer I would think this looks pretty stupid.

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perhaps now is the time to initiate a multi-axis approach to the issue, and inform them. I'm sure there is some HR team that does cost anaylsis cost control with respect to personnel costs.
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Old 12-20-2013 | 08:13 AM
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A couple of ideas...why not just call them personal days instead of sick leave and let crew member use them as he needs...sick, schedule management, whatever. As far as using or losing, Southwest gives medical coverage for unused personal days...something like 1 month for every 10 hours left in your bank.
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Old 12-20-2013 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MacGuy2
I'm not so sure that paying for unused sick time is a good thing. As cheap as we are as a group, how many incredibly sick folks do you think you'll be flying with who are trying to maximize their DSA for maximum retirement buy back? I think this may be one of those issues best left alone.

Like the United captain. Just use it…when you need it.

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You don't think this is going on now. I know of lots of folks that won't call in sick because they want their 401k money for the full sick bank.. Similar but different..
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Old 12-20-2013 | 01:44 PM
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If I'm not qualified to determine that I'm sick and required to get a doctor's note; then it stands to reason that I'm not qualified to determine that I'm well to return to duty until I have another note from the doctor. And it usually takes several days to schedule an apointment with my doctor.
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Old 12-20-2013 | 09:13 PM
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Had to call in sick while on reserve, and got leveled. However didn't receive a crew notice of the trip I was leveled for. Is this new? Also they are asking for a doctors note, is alpa wanting us to send them info on this?
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Old 12-20-2013 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by trigg41
Had to call in sick while on reserve, and got leveled. However didn't receive a crew notice of the trip I was leveled for. Is this new? Also they are asking for a doctors note, is alpa wanting us to send them info on this?
You should have received a notice of trip assignment and then one for removal for sick. ALPA is tracking these. Call them and tell them the situation.
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