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Old 02-13-2014 | 10:25 AM
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When we finally get mad enough about this to post names...I'd like to see the scheduler's names that are perpetrating the preferential treatment.

There must be schedulers on every shift to cover 24/7 open time postings.

Are we talking real-time schedulers working this stuff or futures schedulers? Are their special schedulers that work the charters separate from the regular trips? I also see pilots grabbing the XTRA pairings as well as CHTRs - faster than a human can possibly react on a computer.

I doubt every scheduler is on the take - any chance the legit schedulers will come clean on how pilots are screwing over the bros?

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Old 02-13-2014 | 10:48 AM
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The reason they block there calendars are they have been confronted about it by other pilots. If you look at their schedules ( before they blocked them) every trip was 2xxx for the ENTIRE YEAR, indicating they were a charter or extra trip. The vast majority of these trips begin or end (most begin AND end) with some huge deadhead. Numerous people have gone to management about this with the same response "we are aware of it." The company cannot discipline someone for flying trips. They can't discipline them for talking to schedulers. The only people that are going to be disciplined are the individuals who confront them at Ops, and they claim harassment. That is the reality. So where does that leave us, the same conundrum that has plagued pilots since the beginning. Someone will always find a way to cheat the system and screw their buddies. My only question is can Professional Standards get involved? I know one needed a 3 in 30 a few months back. How did I know? The trip (an out-and-back) was in open time for CAP with a note from scheduling saying F/O needed both legs for currency.

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Old 02-13-2014 | 11:32 AM
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Ok, I'll bite.
Do you think it's possible that some people getting better open time trips have put more genuine, HONEST, hard work into improving their calendars than some of the conspiracy theorist on this message board? Unfortunately because of their success they are persecuted by the jealous vocal minority. This ignorant perception of those that have become experienced, efficient, fast, knowledgable at trip trading has forced some to block their calendars in hopes of not being harassed. I'm sorry this is harsh, but come on guys. I for one wouldn't risk this wonderful career by doing anything illegal, shady, or unacceptable to my union brothers. I can only speak for myself, but if I've been tried and convicted, as I have, based on flatly false accusations then I wonder if the other "offenders" are maybe honest as well.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 11:41 AM
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Yes, I agree you are probably more vigilant than some when it comes to open time trips. But there are inconsistencies that have shown. Trips magically coming unfrozen when an individual has landed 45 minutes ago and coincidentally he gets the trip, (for disclosure not you but a different, honest, hard-worker). When you have a couple of hundred people wanting the same trips and only a handful getting them EVERYTIME, it brings up flags. But, like you said if you are doing nothing wrong. Good on you. But do you really blame people for questioning it? I don't know you and this really does not effect me, but at the same time it SEEMS too good to be true.

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Old 02-13-2014 | 11:55 AM
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Lakeside, I have personally never heard your name as a guy getting charters consistently . But you may want to ask your RFO on that trip you have about his amazing luck at getting charters every month, for years. I'm sure hard work and smarts come into play, but not every month can you beat out 600 other guys looking for
that good deal trip. I gave up when one guy picked up a charter while airborne. This was pointed out to MgT and nothing was done.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Patches
When we finally get mad enough about this to post names...I'd like to see the scheduler's names that are perpetrating the preferential treatment.
The names are available under trip recap in vips. Why post it here and jeopardize yourself?
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Old 02-13-2014 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeside
Ok, I'll bite.
Do you think it's possible that some people getting better open time trips have put more genuine, HONEST, hard work into improving their calendars than some of the conspiracy theorist on this message board? J.S. Owner of 2234/21
Good on you Lakeside. I made this point several posts ago. Are there Black Helicopters following you around too? Haha. I wish I could trip trade as well as you. Well done.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 12:23 PM
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1) Lakeside unblock your calendar. Enough said.
2) This issue is REAL and not a conspiracy.
3) Care to elaborate how you have become a trip trading god and 4400 pilots haven't figured it out? Do you recycle OTP? if so do you feel this is ethical not just legal?
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Old 02-13-2014 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeside
Ok, I'll bite.
Do you think it's possible that some people getting better open time trips have put more genuine, HONEST, hard work into improving their calendars than some of the conspiracy theorist on this message board? Unfortunately because of their success they are persecuted by the jealous vocal minority. This ignorant perception of those that have become experienced, efficient, fast, knowledgable at trip trading has forced some to block their calendars in hopes of not being harassed. I'm sorry this is harsh, but come on guys. I for one wouldn't risk this wonderful career by doing anything illegal, shady, or unacceptable to my union brothers. I can only speak for myself, but if I've been tried and convicted, as I have, based on flatly false accusations then I wonder if the other "offenders" are maybe honest as well.
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I'd say you are one of the premier charter flyers that people are talking about. How about opening up the schedule and let us take a look?

You are limited at 300 VIPs checks a day. So how can you constantly be the first? You obviously check VIPs about at least once each minute? That lasts for about five hours...

So you are consistently faster than all of the other MD11 FOs?
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Old 02-13-2014 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
I'd say you are one of the premier charter flyers that people are talking about. How about opening up the schedule and let us take a look?

You are limited at 300 VIPs checks a day. So how can you constantly be the first? You obviously check VIPs about at least once each minute? That lasts for about five hours...

So you are consistently faster than all of the other MD11 FOs?
Exactly. I'm a junior pilot and hawk open time like something fierce to try an improve my sched. I've put in for these trips time and time again. Even after seeing a charter pop up between VERY high refresh rates, the usuals seem to get it. This last round of charters were FZ for half of the day. Miraculously, the instant they become available the usuals get it. Technique

I've lost count how many charters I've put in for only to out done by these same people. Good on you if you're doing this legit. However, the consistency of the names associated with these trips makes it almost impossible to believe that it's done with an "honest and efficient" technique. If I were that good, I would buy the next powerball and call the flying gig good.
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