FDX Charters
02-12-2014, 08:25 PM
#41
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"My understanding regarding OTP is the advantage is they get to cherry-pick trips before the VTOs. Once the new bid month is released into open time, it's every man for himself and OTP no longer gives you any advantage. Am I right or am I rillo? So all these charters becoming available after open-time release has no relevance to OTP."
I obviously understand very little, but....I think you're right, but the priority you have to cherry pick trips before the VTO's is just in the monthly make-up bid, and is not considered OTP. OTP is when you have a trip cancelled and instead of going into sub status, you decide to go into OTP. Anyone?
I obviously understand very little, but....I think you're right, but the priority you have to cherry pick trips before the VTO's is just in the monthly make-up bid, and is not considered OTP. OTP is when you have a trip cancelled and instead of going into sub status, you decide to go into OTP. Anyone?
02-12-2014, 08:30 PM
#42
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" In fact they could use all sorts of odd denial codes to clean out those in front of me. Things like, "trip not legal", "no one in seven", "no one in ten" etc. Then the scheduler at the desk would always be approving the top person in the queue when he looked at the list. It might look odd, but really hard to prove. Well, at least it would take a couple hours and someone who cared."
I think they could get away with that in the old days when it wasn't computer tracked. I remember Amos would just to deny my swaps all the time, for illegalities when I had no trip in sight on either week, or one in seven, same situation. When I'd call, he'd say, "Oh, just reinput it." Surprise, earlier time stamped. Once he denied a mutual swap when I was swapping a one week trip for a one day trip to the other guy, saying, "But one person is going to get paid so much more." Well so freaking what, what business was it of his? Just weird stuff. But I think everything is numbered and time stamped, and it would be pretty hard to get away with that. Plus, someone could demand to talk to the manager and have them track it. That would be pretty risky for a scheduler.
I think they could get away with that in the old days when it wasn't computer tracked. I remember Amos would just to deny my swaps all the time, for illegalities when I had no trip in sight on either week, or one in seven, same situation. When I'd call, he'd say, "Oh, just reinput it." Surprise, earlier time stamped. Once he denied a mutual swap when I was swapping a one week trip for a one day trip to the other guy, saying, "But one person is going to get paid so much more." Well so freaking what, what business was it of his? Just weird stuff. But I think everything is numbered and time stamped, and it would be pretty hard to get away with that. Plus, someone could demand to talk to the manager and have them track it. That would be pretty risky for a scheduler.
02-12-2014, 08:34 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
If I knew a scheduler and wanted to be sly and devious. I would never have my buddy scheduler "approve" my trip pickups. In fact I would prefer he was not the primary scheduler for my plane. Then we could play games.
A little advance notice the trip is going to drop. Then all I would have to do is input my trip pick up request, then tell my bud to clean out the queue of all the requests that might have beaten me to the punch. In fact they could use all sorts of odd denial codes to clean out those in front of me. Things like, "trip not legal", "no one in seven", "no one in ten" etc. Then the scheduler at the desk would always be approving the top person in the queue when he looked at the list. It might look odd, but really hard to prove. Well, at least it would take a couple hours and someone who cared.
For good measure I could sign up to be a special projects guy so the chief pilot would think I was above reproach. Let a couple buds in the know and hello, We're in business. A little bit of charter knowledge from the green screen, like where the trips are in the build would let me project the trip number and start date, so when they did drop I'd be ready and the number of potential quicker fingered guys would be very small.
Block my calendar so the casual tracker cannot see what I'm doing. You can't block the green screen calendar, but that takes more work.
A little gratitude to my scheduler buddy. Maybe some free plane tickets with my Million Mile Delta status.
If I could throw in some way to make the company think twice about disciplining us, that would be the cherry on top.
See this cargo business is not that hard. At least I might try to do it that way.
A little advance notice the trip is going to drop. Then all I would have to do is input my trip pick up request, then tell my bud to clean out the queue of all the requests that might have beaten me to the punch. In fact they could use all sorts of odd denial codes to clean out those in front of me. Things like, "trip not legal", "no one in seven", "no one in ten" etc. Then the scheduler at the desk would always be approving the top person in the queue when he looked at the list. It might look odd, but really hard to prove. Well, at least it would take a couple hours and someone who cared.
For good measure I could sign up to be a special projects guy so the chief pilot would think I was above reproach. Let a couple buds in the know and hello, We're in business. A little bit of charter knowledge from the green screen, like where the trips are in the build would let me project the trip number and start date, so when they did drop I'd be ready and the number of potential quicker fingered guys would be very small.
Block my calendar so the casual tracker cannot see what I'm doing. You can't block the green screen calendar, but that takes more work.
A little gratitude to my scheduler buddy. Maybe some free plane tickets with my Million Mile Delta status.
If I could throw in some way to make the company think twice about disciplining us, that would be the cherry on top.
See this cargo business is not that hard. At least I might try to do it that way.
02-12-2014, 09:50 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by CompetentFool
My understanding regarding OTP is the advantage is they get to cherry-pick trips before the VTOs. Once the new bid month is released into open time, it's every man for himself and OTP no longer gives you any advantage. Am I right or am I rillo? So all these charters becoming available after open-time release has no relevance to OTP. They're getting these trips thru other means (like knowing the scheduler and getting inside info before the rest of you MD-11 types). Seems like this situation is causing a rift in the ranks and Fedex doesn't seem to care to fix it. Makes me wonder why?
02-12-2014, 11:10 PM
#47
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Come on guys - OTP stands for Open Time Priority. Meaning first dibs for Open Time. Nothing to do with the View/Add window.
It is the one thing that the company throws down every time we ask for a real-time trip trading system. They say OTP makes it impossible.
If a trip is in open time and 20 guys have put in bids to make it up, they go by time stamp. Except for the one guy who threw down OTP, who goes to the front of the list. Even with a later time stamp the OTP guy gets the trip. The reasoning is that you only get the OTP "good deal" because something bad happened to you previously - trip CNX, SUB that you denied, etc. OTP is a good faith effort to make sure that guys that got hosed don't lose pay.
Unfortunately the OTP churning loophole is being abused now. And I suspect that there is more than than that going on.
Also, don't mock kwri10s checklist. He has it nailed, especially the penultimate line.
It is the one thing that the company throws down every time we ask for a real-time trip trading system. They say OTP makes it impossible.
If a trip is in open time and 20 guys have put in bids to make it up, they go by time stamp. Except for the one guy who threw down OTP, who goes to the front of the list. Even with a later time stamp the OTP guy gets the trip. The reasoning is that you only get the OTP "good deal" because something bad happened to you previously - trip CNX, SUB that you denied, etc. OTP is a good faith effort to make sure that guys that got hosed don't lose pay.
Unfortunately the OTP churning loophole is being abused now. And I suspect that there is more than than that going on.
Also, don't mock kwri10s checklist. He has it nailed, especially the penultimate line.
02-13-2014, 02:34 AM
#48
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Keep posting these trips. I know one of the abusers and I plan on having a little talk with him. Since he blocks his calender, he probably thought he was flying under the radar. I'm going to tell him that I heard he was "Buddy ********ing" his union brothers and that his trips are all over PFC. Peer pressure is the only way these guys will stop and I would've never known had those trips not been posted.
02-13-2014, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by purpledog
Keep posting these trips. I know one of the abusers and I plan on having a little talk with him. Since he blocks his calender, he probably thought he was flying under the radar. I'm going to tell him that I heard he was "Buddy ********ing" his union brothers and that his trips are all over PFC. Peer pressure is the only way these guys will stop and I would've never known had those trips not been posted.
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