4 ABX 767's going out for bid
07-01-2014 | 01:17 PM
#31
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The Exco has a lot of pull on this. The only exco that does not is Kalitta because Kalitta can contractually bring on the 76 at current 74 pay rates. The rest of the carriers have to negotiate pay rates first, hence why the Exco can say no. ABX management approached the ABX exco with the 737 proposal and the rates were such a joke that they turned it down. Southern exco accepted their current 737 pay scale, and we recognize we needed changes going forward to make sure were not undercutting each other. Im not placing any blame on southern, this was a new thing for local 1224, so we have since shored up this problem.
If you really believe that you need to be drug tested immediately!
07-01-2014 | 02:43 PM
#32
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I agree 100%. That letter might make everyone feel good but its every man/group for himself. Everyone of those pilot groups is salivating over that ABX flying that they've been getting premium pay on for years. ABX might have had some leverage in 2010 but DHL is driving now.
I guarantee there are all kind of back room deals being made. ABX is the highest paid sub contractor with the lion's share of the work.
Nobody can stop DHL from seeking lower cost sub contractors.
Nobody can stop Atlas, Kalitta, Southern from trying to get new work.
ABX is getting ready to "Comair" themselves out of business.
I guarantee there are all kind of back room deals being made. ABX is the highest paid sub contractor with the lion's share of the work.
Nobody can stop DHL from seeking lower cost sub contractors.
Nobody can stop Atlas, Kalitta, Southern from trying to get new work.
ABX is getting ready to "Comair" themselves out of business.
07-01-2014 | 03:13 PM
#33
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I agree 100%. That letter might make everyone feel good but its every man/group for himself. Everyone of those pilot groups is salivating over that ABX flying that they've been getting premium pay on for years. ABX might have had some leverage in 2010 but DHL is driving now.
I guarantee there are all kind of back room deals being made. ABX is the highest paid sub contractor with the lion's share of the work.
Nobody can stop DHL from seeking lower cost sub contractors.
Nobody can stop Atlas, Kalitta, Southern from trying to get new work.
ABX is getting ready to "Comair" themselves out of business.
I guarantee there are all kind of back room deals being made. ABX is the highest paid sub contractor with the lion's share of the work.
Nobody can stop DHL from seeking lower cost sub contractors.
Nobody can stop Atlas, Kalitta, Southern from trying to get new work.
ABX is getting ready to "Comair" themselves out of business.
07-01-2014 | 03:21 PM
#34
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The DHL 737's were already going to Southern before it was announced. And I'm sure the four 767's are going to a new low cost home. After all the 73's get online they won't need more 767's then DHL already owns. Hete is already planning for the post DHL days by dry leasing the remaining airplanes. ABX will go the way of Astar. DHL will have ABX keep a few spares around until they are no longer needed. I hope I'm wrong but the writing appears to be on the wall.
07-01-2014 | 03:38 PM
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From: Third rock from the sun.
When Eastern airlines shut down for good, the Eastern machinist's union called it their greatest victory.
The ABX exco is intent on getting their victory over management.
The other 1224 airlines will get a different kind of victory, the kind that allows their pilots to pay their bills.
The ABX exco is intent on getting their victory over management.
The other 1224 airlines will get a different kind of victory, the kind that allows their pilots to pay their bills.
07-01-2014 | 11:25 PM
#36
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I don't blame you guys for naysaying but I'll do my best to logically point out why this whole ABX 767 thing is a scare tactic designed to make you, the freight pilot, fear for your life at the expense of more money to be skimmed at the top:
DHL actually likes ABX as a trusted performer. DHL, however, dislikes ABX senior leadership for reasons that are beyond me. The US market is booming for DHL, the investments in CVG are through the roof to grow it into a monster hub. This 767 bid is a tactic that DHL is using to "shop around." They just want to see if ABX will lower their bid, and if any carriers like Southern will come in with another lowball bid. Fortunately for ABX/Atlas/Kalitta/Southern, they all belong to Local 1224 now. They have made it clear to DHL that there will be no more undercutting/whipsawing/lowballing/etc. This was communicated to them last month in Germany at the Annual General Meeting, and I do believe theyre not interested in going after pilot payrates specifically.
With that being said, the money to be made is going to be based on what your management bids minus the associated operating costs. If you guys aren't aware, ABX makes money, they make quite a bit of it. ABX pilots don't take concessions because they don't need to and they know it. If anyone thinks ABX is gonna close its doors because the pilots make too much money, do the research on how much pilot labor costs. The shutdown threat that loomed years ago was a pure scare tactic, the pilots called their bluff, management got hostile, and here we are today. No shutdown, and ABX is shortstaffed on pilots but refuse to recall.
Now bring in Atlas/Kalitta/Southern. Atlas is the best candidate because they already have a 767 program. Southern wants in any way they can. Kalitta wants to package an operating + Oscoda maintenance hub deal. All 3 of these airlines will make money without taking concessions. So the question is, why would the pilots ever be so spooked into thinking if they don't win this contract they cant put food on the table? This isn't about that. Its about earning a wage you deserve. You should never be tricked into thinking its YOUR fault because you didn't want to work for pennies on the dollar. Do you know how much Connie Kalitta makes? Im so amazed sometimes at the sympathy towards those who drive pilot wages down. Its really disturbing. Stand together fellow Teamsters. You will not break. I promise.
DHL actually likes ABX as a trusted performer. DHL, however, dislikes ABX senior leadership for reasons that are beyond me. The US market is booming for DHL, the investments in CVG are through the roof to grow it into a monster hub. This 767 bid is a tactic that DHL is using to "shop around." They just want to see if ABX will lower their bid, and if any carriers like Southern will come in with another lowball bid. Fortunately for ABX/Atlas/Kalitta/Southern, they all belong to Local 1224 now. They have made it clear to DHL that there will be no more undercutting/whipsawing/lowballing/etc. This was communicated to them last month in Germany at the Annual General Meeting, and I do believe theyre not interested in going after pilot payrates specifically.
With that being said, the money to be made is going to be based on what your management bids minus the associated operating costs. If you guys aren't aware, ABX makes money, they make quite a bit of it. ABX pilots don't take concessions because they don't need to and they know it. If anyone thinks ABX is gonna close its doors because the pilots make too much money, do the research on how much pilot labor costs. The shutdown threat that loomed years ago was a pure scare tactic, the pilots called their bluff, management got hostile, and here we are today. No shutdown, and ABX is shortstaffed on pilots but refuse to recall.
Now bring in Atlas/Kalitta/Southern. Atlas is the best candidate because they already have a 767 program. Southern wants in any way they can. Kalitta wants to package an operating + Oscoda maintenance hub deal. All 3 of these airlines will make money without taking concessions. So the question is, why would the pilots ever be so spooked into thinking if they don't win this contract they cant put food on the table? This isn't about that. Its about earning a wage you deserve. You should never be tricked into thinking its YOUR fault because you didn't want to work for pennies on the dollar. Do you know how much Connie Kalitta makes? Im so amazed sometimes at the sympathy towards those who drive pilot wages down. Its really disturbing. Stand together fellow Teamsters. You will not break. I promise.
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07-02-2014 | 06:22 AM
#37
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I don't blame you guys for naysaying but I'll do my best to logically point out why this whole ABX 767 thing is a scare tactic designed to make you, the freight pilot, fear for your life at the expense of more money to be skimmed at the top:
DHL actually likes ABX as a trusted performer. DHL, however, dislikes ABX senior leadership for reasons that are beyond me. The US market is booming for DHL, the investments in CVG are through the roof to grow it into a monster hub. This 767 bid is a tactic that DHL is using to "shop around." They just want to see if ABX will lower their bid, and if any carriers like Southern will come in with another lowball bid. Fortunately for ABX/Atlas/Kalitta/Southern, they all belong to Local 1224 now. They have made it clear to DHL that there will be no more undercutting/whipsawing/lowballing/etc. This was communicated to them last month in Germany at the Annual General Meeting, and I do believe theyre not interested in going after pilot payrates specifically.
With that being said, the money to be made is going to be based on what your management bids minus the associated operating costs. If you guys aren't aware, ABX makes money, they make quite a bit of it. ABX pilots don't take concessions because they don't need to and they know it. If anyone thinks ABX is gonna close its doors because the pilots make too much money, do the research on how much pilot labor costs. The shutdown threat that loomed years ago was a pure scare tactic, the pilots called their bluff, management got hostile, and here we are today. No shutdown, and ABX is shortstaffed on pilots but refuse to recall.
Now bring in Atlas/Kalitta/Southern. Atlas is the best candidate because they already have a 767 program. Southern wants in any way they can. Kalitta wants to package an operating + Oscoda maintenance hub deal. All 3 of these airlines will make money without taking concessions. So the question is, why would the pilots ever be so spooked into thinking if they don't win this contract they cant put food on the table? This isn't about that. Its about earning a wage you deserve. You should never be tricked into thinking its YOUR fault because you didn't want to work for pennies on the dollar. Do you know how much Connie Kalitta makes? Im so amazed sometimes at the sympathy towards those who drive pilot wages down. Its really disturbing. Stand together fellow Teamsters. You will not break. I promise.
DHL actually likes ABX as a trusted performer. DHL, however, dislikes ABX senior leadership for reasons that are beyond me. The US market is booming for DHL, the investments in CVG are through the roof to grow it into a monster hub. This 767 bid is a tactic that DHL is using to "shop around." They just want to see if ABX will lower their bid, and if any carriers like Southern will come in with another lowball bid. Fortunately for ABX/Atlas/Kalitta/Southern, they all belong to Local 1224 now. They have made it clear to DHL that there will be no more undercutting/whipsawing/lowballing/etc. This was communicated to them last month in Germany at the Annual General Meeting, and I do believe theyre not interested in going after pilot payrates specifically.
With that being said, the money to be made is going to be based on what your management bids minus the associated operating costs. If you guys aren't aware, ABX makes money, they make quite a bit of it. ABX pilots don't take concessions because they don't need to and they know it. If anyone thinks ABX is gonna close its doors because the pilots make too much money, do the research on how much pilot labor costs. The shutdown threat that loomed years ago was a pure scare tactic, the pilots called their bluff, management got hostile, and here we are today. No shutdown, and ABX is shortstaffed on pilots but refuse to recall.
Now bring in Atlas/Kalitta/Southern. Atlas is the best candidate because they already have a 767 program. Southern wants in any way they can. Kalitta wants to package an operating + Oscoda maintenance hub deal. All 3 of these airlines will make money without taking concessions. So the question is, why would the pilots ever be so spooked into thinking if they don't win this contract they cant put food on the table? This isn't about that. Its about earning a wage you deserve. You should never be tricked into thinking its YOUR fault because you didn't want to work for pennies on the dollar. Do you know how much Connie Kalitta makes? Im so amazed sometimes at the sympathy towards those who drive pilot wages down. Its really disturbing. Stand together fellow Teamsters. You will not break. I promise.
07-03-2014 | 03:14 AM
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