b707guy

Shared MX in this regard. Both airlines thank you.

l8fr82hub

Management has lifted the jumpseat restriction, but I haven't forgotten my friends being denied jumpseats prior to the strike so I will still reciprocate accordingly.

qiutong

I hope you mean, that you will deny your jumpseat to the Captains that denied your friends? 99.9% of our pilots did NOT deny your friends. We need to stop this adversarial relationship between our pilot groups, the only one that benefits from the turmoil, is the management that is screwing both groups.

wjcandee

Who is to say they don't already know about it?

In any event, it appears that it's finally properly-diagnosed and effectively-repaired. If we're going to be charitable, we could say that maint first exhausted the obvious stuff and/or had difficulty duplicating the problem on the ground. Once it became apparent that this was an unusual failure mode (and it is certainly debatable whether this could/should have been apparent sooner and/or taken more seriously sooner), they did remove the aircraft from service and thereafter devoted an appropriate amount of resources to an effective diagnosis and repair, including two expensive 5-ish hour flights over the Midwest and South.

Here's hoping that this is behind them and that the appropriate lessons have been learned.

l8fr82hub

It means I'll deny all ABX jumpseats until the ABX pilot group changes its malicious attitude towards us. It goes beyond the denied jumpseats (snide comments, having shuttle vans leave us behind, etc.). When you can act like professionals and also treat us like professionals then we can move on. This behavior originated on the ABX side and needs to be stopped there.

Jason605

Four more months for me will be a year at ABX. I've rode the van and spoken to many ATI pilots. We've never left anyone behind and I fail to see how we could seeing as none of us are the ones driving the bus.

Not saying that you may not have experienced this behavior, but I have yet to witness it. Either way, I just don't see the need to be adversarial with each other. Both pilot groups are slaves to the same master. Being on the same page benefits all of us.

Now I don't know how true this is but it is said that there are some in the ATI group that would like for ABX to disappear and ATI take all the flying. If true, then yeah, your gonna get left behind here and there. In my opinion that would also need to stop.

The only way for things to get better is for both groups, no matter what was done or said in the past, to look past it and work together to make things better for everyone.

qiutong

First:
I'd be willing to bet my next catered meal, that the vast majority of crewmembers at each company are decent, professionals, and that there are also a few PITA's at each company. To penilize the large number decent guys because the few PITA's are idiots does nothing to better our respective positions with regards to our morale crushing managements. We need to ignore the pains in the butts and work to repair offenses of the past, or we may all lose in the end.

...and second:
"This behavior originated on the ABX side....". I don't know what, if any, specifics you base this statement on, but I do have a specific that would contradict this, but since it would do nothing but potentially enflame an already tense relationship between company crews, I'll leave mine un-stated also. It doesn't matter who started it. If it was us, fine, I as an ABX crewmember, am reaching out in an attempt to repair things. And you...?

l8fr82hub

I am watching, and listening for any change of tone from the ABX side of the house. I've never said or done anything hostile to any ABX pilot and I'm not trying to start any s#%t, just not gonna tolerate it being brought into my cockpit. This stuff has been going on since the day ATSG bought us and I'm fed up with it!

abxflyr

I am glad to see the restriction of ABX pilots has been terminated. The j/s is not the place to determine the validity of arguments and positons, regardless of mutual or dissenting opinions. Most already know the best approach is to enjoy the view of someone else's office and be thankful for the ride.

l8fr8 has the option to deny access to anyone period end. You know the saying....'hate the game, not the player'. I don't think Bo would deny someone unless they had personally harmed him (or others in their group) wrongfully. That would be an individual issue and not a wholesale offering of the group. Regardless it's his choice and bumping just increases the space between groups.

If you have a problem with access at *any* airline, you should bring the situation up to the rep's at your Union. Let them handle it internally with the opposing union representative.

Kougarok

I am willing to put it behind us. If I can ride on ATI they can ride in my jump seat.