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10-27-2017, 04:45 PM

Kuremike

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Well, anyone else convinced staying here any longer is a wasted career? Thx 1224 for offering to kick interview prep into gear.

10-28-2017, 08:28 AM

fraannk

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I have a crazy idea.

Since we now have until the Spring before any more negotiations are planned, why doesn't the negotiating committee put together a TA with the companies best offer. We have plenty of time.

We can find out two things in the meantime. Either the Union actually does speak for members and the group will vote it down, or the Union has done a good enough job already and the members will vote it in.

Win, win.

Frank Paden

10-28-2017, 11:42 AM

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Here’s a better idea; update your resume and work to better yourself and your career because your employer is out of touch with the industry and the current climate. The 1970’s mindset of arrogance and “my way or the highway” needs to wither away and die already. It is not relevant anymore and shouldn’t be placated by “sticking around”...

10-28-2017, 12:00 PM

JonnyKnoxville

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Originally Posted by fraannk

That is a terrible idea.

10-28-2017, 12:37 PM

fraannk

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Is there no place online that Omni pilots can go have intelligent conversations with other Omni pilots about things that actually affect our lives without hearing from pilots that have no skin in the game?

I, for one, am tired of hearing how we should do things from pilots that either hate Omni or have been fired from Omni for some reason or other.

If you can't identify as an Omni pilot. Please keep your comments to yourself.

Thanks!
Frank Paden

10-28-2017, 02:12 PM

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Thats not the way it works Frank... in the end the 1224 Eboard.. and the ExCo Chairman of all the 1224 Carriers will vote your contract in or out.....so... think about that for awhile.

10-28-2017, 02:23 PM

JohnDoe763

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I just find it interesting that while the CEO is around for the negotiation sessions, things seem to go pretty well. But the last two meetings he has left early, leaving the Senior DO at the helm. Thats when things fall apart at a high rate of speed. Does our Senior DO want a contract? Why would the CEO not stick around and finish out the meetings.

10-28-2017, 03:49 PM

Dubiousbrother

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Frank – Although there are some intelligent people on this forum, don’t expect a direct answer to your quite valid question. I suspect others are lining up to flame on you with the usual non-answer answer to your post.

I’ll save the time and trouble. They will consist of a general theme revolving around “That’s not the way it works”, “Be quiet and let the process work” or something like that.

So here is my question; do you believe the organization we pay money to for legal representation, has an ethical obligation to seek our opinion and allow us to see some details of the recent offer? (whatever it is, or is not).

Not after they have determined we are worthy of digesting it, but now?

Maybe what has been offered sucks. If that’s the case than what is the downside of sending out whatever details are available?

10-28-2017, 04:55 PM

JonnyKnoxville

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As an airline pilot flying in the U.S., I have skin in the game. We are all tied together whether you like it or not. Overtime you fight to for lower pay and work rules you are an advocate for lower pay and work rules across the industry.

We all know you and Dubious are dying to take any deal you can get, no matter how bad it is. If you are so bent out of shape about the direction your fellow pilots are taking in negotiations, I challenge you two to run for a leadership position within your union to change the direction you are headed in. With that said, I would bet that you two are the vocal minority that are simply outnumbered by those with higher standards, self-worth and common sense. However, I could be wrong. This is certainly a vote I would like to see.

10-28-2017, 05:59 PM

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The sad part is Frank if you talk to a negotiator they basically finally said fine let's go with the outline you negotiated directly with the pilot group and we'll revisit the issues such as a 16 day sch. etc, and we'll make the contract for two years just to stem the tide of people leaving. That's when they took that supposed offer off the table and said no we're not gonna do pay, per diem etc. So even we we agree to what they want they change the play book. I have no idea what game they are playing but I know I'm sick and tired of doing everyone's job for them and intend to play by the playbook we have and see how well things get done when me and others no longer do everyone one else's job. I hope you'll join us.