Omni TA
10-29-2017, 04:47 AM
#21
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Frank and the others in Frank's camp, there is no last offer from the company to even vote on.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
10-29-2017, 06:00 AM
#22
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If the rumors of the contents of the previous offer are true then I agree with Frank. To those who feel they are (or may) end up working for less than they're worth I would encourage them to move on to greener pastures. Not all of us are able to do that so we want to make the best of what we have. In any case a battle can be won in 2017/18. Our position can be consolidated and we can make the final push in 4 years. I don't see a reason to go all or nothing and drag this on to 2020 and end up with the same average compensation anyway.
10-29-2017, 07:29 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
If the rumors of the contents of the previous offer are true then I agree with Frank. To those who feel they are (or may) end up working for less than they're worth I would encourage them to move on to greener pastures. Not all of us are able to do that so we want to make the best of what we have. In any case a battle can be won in 2017/18. Our position can be consolidated and we can make the final push in 4 years. I don't see a reason to go all or nothing and drag this on to 2020 and end up with the same average compensation anyway.
And the longer you let this go on the more you are losing in the long run. If the contract isn't up to standards then people ARE going to leave for greener pastures. Management needs to wake up to that fact.
10-29-2017, 09:32 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Frank and the others in Frank's camp, there is no last offer from the company to even vote on.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
10-29-2017, 01:30 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Frank and the others in Frank's camp, there is no last offer from the company to even vote on.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
Now is the time for Omni to pay market rates for a pilot or else it is time for Omni to shut down. What is so wrong about free market capitalism? The market commands an industry standard compensation package to be paid to you and all you have to do is support your union leaders you elected to speak on the behalf of the group.
The end of this process is near, your side will come out as the winners. The ego and arrogance of management is no match for the laws discovered by Adam Smith. The father of economics will win every time.
Which side do you want to be remembered as being on once this all concludes? Now is not the time to get scared.
One simple question;
Are you a current Omni pilot?
Yes or No?
10-29-2017, 03:59 PM
#26
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For all those saying we need a vote, please fill me in on what exactly it is we would be voting on? I was under the impression that the company removed its proposal even AFTER our Negotiators conceded to the current status quo of 18 days + 4. We AGREED and the company packed up and walked out taking their entire package offer with them. I can only ascertain by this that the company has no intention of getting anything out to us for a vote anyway. We're much cheaper now than with a new CBA, even a POS one.
10-29-2017, 07:45 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by GreenFlash
For all those saying we need a vote, please fill me in on what exactly it is we would be voting on? I was under the impression that the company removed its proposal even AFTER our Negotiators conceded to the current status quo of 18 days + 4. We AGREED and the company packed up and walked out taking their entire package offer with them. I can only ascertain by this that the company has no intention of getting anything out to us for a vote anyway. We're much cheaper now than with a new CBA, even a POS one.
Once again, not telling anyone how they should vote or what they should do but,
to say that we agreed to the existing 18 days Plus 4 potential days is not really accurate.
the Union sought to do that for only one year and then 17 in year 2 or 16 days in year 3.... OR.... Duty Rigs.
I wasn't at the table so i can't say if the company is"pulling back" but it would seem to me, given that they have an entire website dedicated to what they have already agreed too, it would create a mutiny if they tried to go backwards.
10-29-2017, 08:27 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by stickwiggler
to say that we agreed to the existing 18 days Plus 4 potential days is not really accurate.
the Union sought to do that for only one year and then 17 in year 2 or 16 days in year 3.... OR.... Duty Rigs.
10-30-2017, 12:30 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by GreenFlash
The counter offer was a 2 year deal with no changes to current scheduling practices. That would of allowed the company to keep the status quo and allow us to readdress the issue at a later time. Seems to me like a no brainer, yet the company still walked. They had no intention of ever signing a deal.
As far as the 2 year contract thing goes, I'd love That!
But, being given fair to both sides, most businesses don't do strategic planning 24 months at a time.
It is understandable that they would want greater stability.
Most of us are aware that other companies who award flying would prefer to do business with a company with a stable labor situation.
I disagree that they don't want to sign a contract.
They simply want to get it as cheap as possible.
That's their job.
Our job is to obtain the best compensation possible with bankrupting our employer.
There is no need for emotion... this is just about numbers.
10-30-2017, 08:13 PM
#30
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Many will be quite interested in the recent email from the president I think... if what has been spelled out on the website and the email is true (and the language is as close to bulletproof as can be made) I, for one, would like this to go to vote by the membership. Granted that probably doesn't mean much to the people with the real power in the union.
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