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11-05-2017, 04:42 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by BigfootCapo
Maybe. But when its all said and done, even with a 78% pay increase, you will still enjoy overall the WORST contract this segment of industry has to offer. A year after signing, and after Atlas gets theirs, we would still be the worst place in the ACMI/charter world to work for. Something to think about.
Other perks of the contract are just as important , if not more, than a reasonable pay scale they are offering. No one is asking for the unimaginable. We do not deserve anything less than what our counterparts have or will have at other comparable outfits. Otherwise we are selling ourselves and the rest of the pilot group short.
Other perks of the contract are just as important , if not more, than a reasonable pay scale they are offering. No one is asking for the unimaginable. We do not deserve anything less than what our counterparts have or will have at other comparable outfits. Otherwise we are selling ourselves and the rest of the pilot group short.
This contract is not only a pay increase...
It is a
* huge jump in 401k (70%)
*increase in guarantee
* decrease number of work days (or xtra pay)
*Biz Travel
*30% increase in per diem
*better insurance
*direct routing on deadhead
*increase day off pay override
You want to argue against, that's fine but be honest in your depiction of the offer.
11-07-2017, 10:20 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe763
I just find it interesting that while the CEO is around for the negotiation sessions, things seem to go pretty well. But the last two meetings he has left early, leaving the Senior DO at the helm. Thats when things fall apart at a high rate of speed. Does our Senior DO want a contract? Why would the CEO not stick around and finish out the meetings.
12-07-2017, 03:13 PM
#53
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No crew legality check list!!!
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
12-07-2017, 04:59 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by spaminacan
No crew legality check list!!!
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
12-08-2017, 08:09 AM
#55
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Originally Posted by maxjet
I was not there, but I suspect that it is good cop bad cop, style of negotiations. The CEO will eventually return, and what he presents, will seem to be the best last offer as he is perceived, "to be working for a new contract". Just my 2 cents. Good luck and keep up the determination and patience.
12-08-2017, 12:56 PM
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Delta's new "1st bag" fee for "basic economy"
FYI, I know this expense is covered in Section 6 (Expenses), Paragraph C. General #3, page 37, but haven't heard if these types of increases were covered in the new contract being negotiated.
Hopefully, the negotiating team (or EXCO) can assure that these coming changes are covered with enough protective detail for the traveling crewmember in the new contract.
No CC $ limit, address new weight limits, int'l applies to domestic as well, etc..
Airline Frequent Flyer Status helps of course... but not always assigned the airline of choice... which would be nice if within xxx number of dollars. And I believe that FF status doesn't help on the bargain fare tickets, but I would have to check for that "minor detail" again.
1st bag = $60.00... 2nd bag = $100.00
for trans-Atlantic routes and Africa starting on or after April 10, 2018. Pacific Rim, Middle East, Asia, South America, and then domestic US, Canada, Mexico, and anything North America soon to follow, in time... when there is no business class or better. 
AU
Hopefully, the negotiating team (or EXCO) can assure that these coming changes are covered with enough protective detail for the traveling crewmember in the new contract.
No CC $ limit, address new weight limits, int'l applies to domestic as well, etc..
Airline Frequent Flyer Status helps of course... but not always assigned the airline of choice... which would be nice if within xxx number of dollars. And I believe that FF status doesn't help on the bargain fare tickets, but I would have to check for that "minor detail" again.
1st bag = $60.00... 2nd bag = $100.00
for trans-Atlantic routes and Africa starting on or after April 10, 2018. Pacific Rim, Middle East, Asia, South America, and then domestic US, Canada, Mexico, and anything North America soon to follow, in time... when there is no business class or better. AU
12-08-2017, 11:25 PM
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Omni is actually smarter than booking us in basic economy, even now... Basic Economy is the new Spirit Airlines simulator the mainlines are experimenting with. Totally different than a regular economy ticket.
12-09-2017, 01:59 AM
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New Delta Bag fee article.
Sorry, I didn't notice that the Delta bag fee article didn't copy onto my last post... here it is.
But, given the history to "save a buck" to the detriment of the crewmember, I'd rather see the details addressed and agreed to... and then written in black and white in the contract. They may not be utilizing the basic economy fare now, but you do know that the travel department members makes an end of the year "BONUS" based on how much money they save off the crewmember's yearly total travel expenses.
That comes straight from L.G.
Why do you feel that Omni is "smarter" than to book crewmembers in the basic economy fare? Only reason I can think of is that the Delta corporate discount doesn't apply to the basic economy (Spirit) fares, so it is actually cheaper to buy the regular economy ticket that still qualifies for the Delta discounted rate.
Pack light for Paris: Delta to charge basic-economy passengers $60 to check a bag to Europe next year.
Leslie Josephs
CNBCDecember 8, 2017
Getty Images. Delta Air Lines are bringing basic economy fares to international destinations, so passengers will have to pay up to check a bag.
U.S. airlines collected nearly $4.2 billion in checked baggage fees last year. That sum could rise even more as airlines bring such fees international.
Starting in April, Delta Air Lines (DAL)will charge passengers who book highly restrictive basic economy fares $60 each way to check a bag for travel between the U.S. or Canada and Europe or North Africa.
The airline, among others, is taking basic economy abroad , in hopes that it will drum up more revenue as record numbers of passengers are traveling by air. Airline executives, including those at Delta, estimate that about half of passengers opt to pay for a higher coach-class fare than selecting the cheaper basic economy.
The fee to check the bag — $60 each way — is the same sum that Delta is offering travelers to "upgrade" to regular economy, which offers a free checked bag. When travelers book on Delta's website, a screen pops up with a column of almost all of X's next to the mostly once-free perks that basic economy travelers won't receive, such as selecting their own seats.
A second checked bag will cost basic economy passengers $100 each way. The change starts April 10, 2018. The new policy is similar to what the crop of low-cost trans-Atlantic carriers are charging travelers .
American Airlines (AAL) is also bringing basic economy tickets international and passengers opting for those fares may need to pack even lighter. The fares are available on some trips to Mexican cities, including Cancun, but passengers on those tickets aren't allowed to use overhead bins to store their carry-on bags.
The Department of Transportation recently dropped a proposal to force airlines to disclose baggage fees at the start of the ticket purchase. Airlines meanwhile, are fighting airports from raising fees of their own on passengers.
The nation's airports are pushing lawmakers to increase the cap on the so-called passenger facility fee, which is aimed at improving airports, by $4 to a maximum of $8.50 per flight.
WATCH: Delta seeing strong demand for international routes
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But, given the history to "save a buck" to the detriment of the crewmember, I'd rather see the details addressed and agreed to... and then written in black and white in the contract. They may not be utilizing the basic economy fare now, but you do know that the travel department members makes an end of the year "BONUS" based on how much money they save off the crewmember's yearly total travel expenses.
That comes straight from L.G.
Why do you feel that Omni is "smarter" than to book crewmembers in the basic economy fare? Only reason I can think of is that the Delta corporate discount doesn't apply to the basic economy (Spirit) fares, so it is actually cheaper to buy the regular economy ticket that still qualifies for the Delta discounted rate.
Pack light for Paris: Delta to charge basic-economy passengers $60 to check a bag to Europe next year.
Leslie Josephs
CNBCDecember 8, 2017
Getty Images. Delta Air Lines are bringing basic economy fares to international destinations, so passengers will have to pay up to check a bag.
U.S. airlines collected nearly $4.2 billion in checked baggage fees last year. That sum could rise even more as airlines bring such fees international.
Starting in April, Delta Air Lines (DAL)will charge passengers who book highly restrictive basic economy fares $60 each way to check a bag for travel between the U.S. or Canada and Europe or North Africa.
The airline, among others, is taking basic economy abroad , in hopes that it will drum up more revenue as record numbers of passengers are traveling by air. Airline executives, including those at Delta, estimate that about half of passengers opt to pay for a higher coach-class fare than selecting the cheaper basic economy.
The fee to check the bag — $60 each way — is the same sum that Delta is offering travelers to "upgrade" to regular economy, which offers a free checked bag. When travelers book on Delta's website, a screen pops up with a column of almost all of X's next to the mostly once-free perks that basic economy travelers won't receive, such as selecting their own seats.
A second checked bag will cost basic economy passengers $100 each way. The change starts April 10, 2018. The new policy is similar to what the crop of low-cost trans-Atlantic carriers are charging travelers .
American Airlines (AAL) is also bringing basic economy tickets international and passengers opting for those fares may need to pack even lighter. The fares are available on some trips to Mexican cities, including Cancun, but passengers on those tickets aren't allowed to use overhead bins to store their carry-on bags.
The Department of Transportation recently dropped a proposal to force airlines to disclose baggage fees at the start of the ticket purchase. Airlines meanwhile, are fighting airports from raising fees of their own on passengers.
The nation's airports are pushing lawmakers to increase the cap on the so-called passenger facility fee, which is aimed at improving airports, by $4 to a maximum of $8.50 per flight.
WATCH: Delta seeing strong demand for international routes
More From CNBC
Last edited by AU MD FLYER; 12-09-2017 at 02:11 AM.
12-09-2017, 02:24 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by spaminacan
No crew legality check list!!!
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
Would someone explain to me how I am to determine if everyone on my crew is legal to fly (pilots and flight attendants).
I guess I will have to require full access to all of my flight crews duty logs for the past seven days.
No legality checklist is some BS! I have trouble keeping tabs on myself. This is going to cause some delays I’m sure.
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