If you can find/retain enough qualified employees at a given payrate, then that is the market rate based on pure supply and demand.

 

It’s obvious that the company learned Negotiating tactics straight out of the Donald Trump book. It’s so obvious, pathetic, and laughable, that they think anyone should take them serious.

 

The Art of The Deal 4 steps

1. Act like you don’t care
2. Be willing to walk away
3. Walk away at every chance
4. Act like you don’t care again

 

Fellow OAE pilots,

If you haven't read the "recent history" section of Crippen's email, i humbly suggest you do.

 

We get it, you don't like Omni... now please follow your own (err... trumpsters) advice and act like you don't care, be willing to walk away, walk away, and stop caring. I thought you left OAI anyway.

Some game changing stuff in that... apparently the company is not following the trumpster's advice. Let's hope this gets done in the near term. With the correct language in the contract I don't see how a resulting TA wouldn't pass.

 

Dangle a rotten carrot in front of a starving horse long enough, it's going to eat it. Farming 101. The company knows it's pilots are a bunch of starving animals.

The language will determine how fresh the carrot is. The Negotiation guys are asking the questions about each of those carrots before the company feeds them to you.

Disclaimer: All I care about is days OFF and business class travel.

 

If the negotiations have plugged most of the TA loopholes that management can use to our disadvantage i think that it is probably time to put this to a vote.

Let's put where we started this year and where we have ended up in perspective. I believe that time (pilot shortage and attrition) along with hard negotiations have worked to our advantage and managements disadvantage. That being said i wonder if we have reached a point of diminishing returns.

Let's also keep in mind that the economy has been on a 7 year bull market. Yes we may be able to eke out further concessions but what if the economy takes a dump early next year? How would that effect our bargaining power if all the airlines quit hiring.

 

Y'all sittin' down for this?
I agree with Heavydriver!!

I applaud his approach.

He came right out and addressed where his priorities are..

If the TA meets and individuals priorities, then they vote yes, if not? Then vote NO.

A TA is not the end of the world, even if you're in the "hold out for more" camp.
If the TA sucks, then during the Roadshow phase people will have the opportunity to debate the merits.

If it as bad as some believe, then that should be an easy debate to win and the TA will fail.
This would give the NC enormous power at the table, during the next negotiation.

But, if the majority feels that it is good, it'll pass.

We have some really, REALLY smart pilots flying the line. Having 193 sets of eyes going through this with a fine tooth comb is a good thing.

I also agree that Spaminacan has some valid points.
Look into what happened during the SW & Airtran merger... you can go backwards in a negotiation.

Tragically, none of this is even the argument.

The contract is being held up by 1224 who is using Omni pilots as sacrificial lambs to obtain improvements for the upcoming Atlas contract.
The fact that management is saying this, doesn't make it not true; I just got off the phone with a P2P who told me he has confirmed that this is EXACTLY true.

This E Board final authority stuff is unique to the IBT.

But there is good news! We CAN go around them.

Contact Captain Wainscott via company email and let him know where you stand (For or against).
If the majority of pilots are for a TA based on the current offer, then it is the duty of our Representatives to execute those wishes.

But, if they will not, and this is going to sound harsh, we vote them out through recall and
replace them with people that will.

To some this will seem extreme, to others, unappreciative of the efforts of the NC.

It is neither. These comments are without emotion or agenda. It is simply the tools we have to work with while employed at a company represented by unionized labor.

I have it on EXCELLENT authority that the IBT above 1224's head (a guy named David Bourne - Dir of Airline Division for The IBT) has given assurances that once Eric Wainscott-Omni ExCo- has given the OK, we will be allowed to vote.

 

Just out of curiosity I looked up the Atlas pay scale here in APC.

The "bread crumbs" pay that Omni has proposed is 50 dollars more per hour at the senior captain level than the 747 senior captain pay at Atlas and 83 dollars an hour more than comparable 767 senior captain rates.

The guarantee is also 2 hours higher.

The proposed rates are even higher than the hourly rates at Southwest. Of course, we don't fly nearly the hours that Southwest does so they are bound to make more.

What are people calling "bread crumbs"?

It is time to put Omni's proposal into a TA and let us vote. Money can't buy happiness but it sure does help with the bills.

Frank Paden

 

First of all, thats an old old old contract. One should not compare newer modern contract with an outdated one. Once they get a new TA, you can be assured it will be way better than our ‘crumbs’. And more importantly, I do not believe anyone is complaining about potential pay scale that is being offered (it is a decent pay scale). What is inadequate and missing is all the ‘soft pay’ and QOL perks that everyone else gets except us.