Originally Posted by MNPS 50N50W

COPIED FROM OMNI THREAD.....

SOUNDS VERY FAMILIAR, DOES IT NOT.


An HR manager was knocked down (tragically) by a bus and was killed. Her soul arrived at the Pearly Gates, where St.Peter welcomed her. “Before you get settled in” he said, “We have a little problem…you see, we’ve never had a HR manager make it this far before and we’re not really sure what to do with you.”
“Oh, I see,” said the woman, “can’t you just let me in?”
“Well, I’d like to,” said St Peter, “But I have higher orders. We’re instructed to let you have a day in hell and a day in heaven, and then you are to choose where you’d like to go for all eternity.”
“Actually, I think I’d prefer heaven”, said the woman. “Sorry, we have rules…” at which St. Peter put the HR manager into the downward bound elevator.
As the doors opened in Hell she stepped out onto a beautiful golf course. In the distance was a country club; around her were many friends, past fellow executives, all smartly dressed, happy, and cheering for her. They ran up and kissed her on both cheeks, and they talked about old times.
They played a perfect round of golf and afterwards went to the country club where she enjoyed a superb steak and lobster dinner. She met the Devil (who was actually rather nice) and she had a wonderful night telling jokes and dancing.
Before she knew it, it was time to leave. Everyone shook her hand and waved goodbye as she stepped into the elevator. The elevator went back up to heaven where St. Peter was waiting for her. “Now it’s time to spend a day in heaven,” he said.
So she spent the next 24 hours lounging around on clouds, playing the harp and singing; which was almost as enjoyable as her day in Hell. At the day’s end St. Peter returned. “So,” he said, “You’ve spent a day in hell and you’ve spent a day in heaven”. “You must choose between the two.”
The woman thought for a second and replied: “Well, heaven is certainly lovely, but I actually had a better time in hell. I choose Hell.”
Accordingly, St. Peter took her to the elevator again and she went back down to hell. When the doors of the elevator opened she found herself standing in a desolate wasteland covered in garbage and filth. She saw her friends dressed in rags, picking up rubbish and putting it in old sacks. The Devil approached and put his arm around her.
“I don’t understand,” stuttered the HR manager, “The other day I was here, and there was a golf course, and a country club. We ate lobster, and we danced and had a wonderful happy time. Now all there is, is just dirty wasteland of garbage and all my friends look miserable.”
The Devil simply looked at her and smiled, “Yesterday we were recruiting you, today you’re staff.”

Originally Posted by randomroute

Not worth the salmon or the filet mignon *

Originally Posted by Hellafo

Latest rumor, fresh off the oven. European operation is launching in 6 weeks, and noone knows anything.

Rumor is management wants to present the pilot group with a proposal that is extremely consessionary compared to what was offered last year.

People will rather stay in the US and pick up overtime that go over there. If they try to Junior man people, I'd expect some attrition...

Originally Posted by randomroute

The big problem with Swift is that there are no hard-ass pilots. Dont get me wrong, we have alot of guys that like to ralk about their experience and time in the MD-11 and flying cargo for XYZ Air, and their disgruntled nature. We got plenty of guys that are tough in the cockpit and impromptu union meetings, however theres no follow through. Matter of fact, all that hot air dissipates rather quickly when the words “expect visual approach RWY...” come over the wave.



I digress....BUT....If you want to goto Europe, make some demands. Have the group come together and tell the company what you want. How long does this pilot group have to endure subpar pay, crappy work rules that go unenforced, sharty QOL, and bogus schedule changes? The time for speculation is over. Time is money, some of you forgot that. The leftover catering, stories of $2000 a day, and calling for hotel room and transportation after youve arrived should be over now. Theres no reason the TDY cadre hasnt gotten together on social media and come up with a collective packge of monetary and logistical solutions for this upcoming charter.



This is why I cant recommend most people I know to come here. Because as of this writing there are major shortcomings that prevent Swift from being a practical career move outisde of flying a group II turbojet.

Originally Posted by randomroute

The big problem with Swift is that there are no hard-ass pilots. Dont get me wrong, we have alot of guys that like to ralk about their experience and time in the MD-11 and flying cargo for XYZ Air, and their disgruntled nature. We got plenty of guys that are tough in the cockpit and impromptu union meetings, however theres no follow through. Matter of fact, all that hot air dissipates rather quickly when the words “expect visual approach RWY...” come over the wave.

I digress....BUT....If you want to goto Europe, make some demands. Have the group come together and tell the company what you want. How long does this pilot group have to endure subpar pay, crappy work rules that go unenforced, sharty QOL, and bogus schedule changes? The time for speculation is over. Time is money, some of you forgot that. The leftover catering, stories of $2000 a day, and calling for hotel room and transportation after youve arrived should be over now. Theres no reason the TDY cadre hasnt gotten together on social media and come up with a collective packge of monetary and logistical solutions for this upcoming charter.

This is why I cant recommend most people I know to come here. Because as of this writing there are major shortcomings that prevent Swift from being a practical career move outisde of flying a group II turbojet.

Originally Posted by randomroute

Because the crews havent sent a list of reasonable request/proposal to management. Talking amongst each other isnt going to effect change.

Lets be honest, its been a year almost and besides all the horror stories (there have been many positives as well) no pilots have stepped up as a group to present solution.

The company hasnt provided any solid information other than the fact that there will be European flying. When are those of you who want to go-going to step up?

The extreme IRONY is that you will fight and quietly be intalks about a TDY to Europe but stateside the status quo porridge is “juuuuuuuuuuuust right”. Wheres the sat phones stateside? Wheres the high rate international per diem stateside? Where the 120 hour guarantee stateside? Where the 4-figure bonus stateside? THE SAME EXACT TYPE OF FLYING IS BEING DONE. WHY DOES EUROPEAN FLYING HAVE TO BE THE ‘BEES KNEES’ OF QOL AND COMPENSATION WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN FLYING THE SAME PLANE HERE IN THE STATES DOING THE SAME OPERATION?

There is no union coming to Swift, Swift doesnt need a union. It just needs pilots that can come up with an enforecable work rule and compensation package. Theres no reason you shouldnt be getting paid what you did in Europe for 4-5 months, what you havent been for the rest of the year.

Also, as far as the impending raises. I dont want one guy negotiating pay behind closed doors.

Originally Posted by Triggs

How do you propose this without what you said we don't need in above comment?







Actually, I had a conversation with the DO about this a bunch of weeks ago. Told him he wasn't going to get many volunteers for what he was proposing. The flying over in CZ was a lot of fun, but it is a big sacrifice to go over there for 3-5 months, missing out on many things. there has to be compensation for that.

Originally Posted by mexipilot84

I think that’s why they want to make it an 18 day rotation and eliminate the bonus.