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Flydaplane

Make sure you've got the latest info on the "flow" to United. Buddy talked with recruiter who told him that the process changed, now the process goes like this: Interview at Commutair, get hired by Commutair, prior to ground school you can take the Hogan exam. If you fail the Hogan you can still continue at Commutair and retake the exam in 6 months or a year (not sure on that timeline). If you pass the Hogan, you have to COMPLETE Commutair new hire training (I assume this includes OE) BEFORE you can schedule your interview at United.
This is a big game changer for him. He won't know until after he's already quit his current job, moved cross country, spent weeks in training, and taken a huge pay cut whether he's got a chance at United. Commutair claims this change was brought on by United saying too many guys were failing the interview and not taking it serious (really??? why would anyone not take a United interview serious?). My opinion is that Commutair was losing too many guys they'd spent money interviewing and giving slots to, once they found out they weren't in at United, they no longer wanted anything to do with Commutair, thus bailing on them and causing some chaos with hiring numbers. This in no longer the sweet deal if appeared to be. Now it is nothing more than a guaranteed interview. I still think Commutair could be a sweet deal for some people, but for guys with decent jobs already...Do your homework!

Aviationslave

Yep! I didn't pass the United interview. And I didn't take the class date. I'm sure there are a lot of guys doing the same thing.

HercDiver

Nvm. I misread what you wrote. CommutAir is still THE BEST option for regionals right now.

Aviationslave

He is stating that the orders of interviews changed

1.c5 interview
2.hogan
3.c5 training
4.OE
5.UAL CPP interview

SKNPilot

I completely agree with the new way C5 is doing the United interview, whether it was brought on by United or not. I don't see why C5 should waste money on those type of people who like to use others for their own gain. The CPP is to help with getting people in the door to stay until their number gets called.

Aviationslave

How is it using others for their own gain? If i didn't get the CPP what's the point of working there. Is my personality magically going to change in 6 months so I can pass the Hogan? If you go to C5 your best shot is UAL, and if you can't get hired at UAL why would you go to C5. Fact of the matter is, this move just shows that this program is geared to get people at the feeder. Don't get me wrong if i was excepted into the CPP I would be at C5 in a heart beat, but if this program was at all about UAL securing pilots for the future they wouldn't have made the switch on the order of the interview.

PICsf340

I really don't intend to sound abrasive, but you want to be hired at United before you work at C5. No airline will guarantee that. All flow programs and all preferential interview programs are a marketing tool used to get you in the door. Look at PSA and Envoy. It didn't work as expected. There is always language that can allow a company not to do what they say they are going to do. Just like always, when one looks at a regional, the most important things to consider are qol, pay, and benefits. Forget flow and preferential interviews altogether. With acompany like C5, at least you are at a company that is on the leading edge of what they offer pilots. I would rather be at a company like that, build the tpic and make the CApay while I wait for a call back. By the time you could potentially flow anywhere else, you will be more than qualified for all the majors/nationals after just a year or two, depending on what qualifications you have when you show up for class. Now, to each their own.

Pete389

There is always language that can allow a company not to do what they say they are going to do. Just like always, when one looks at a regional, the most important things to consider are qol, pay, and benefits. Forget flow and preferential interviews altogether.

Yes indeed and something that needs to constantly be remembered. Focus on the job at/in hand and what that will do for you. Not what it MIGHT get you. A quote that comes to mind regarding guarantees: "I can take a dump in a box and put a guarantee on it, I've got spare time."

Good luck!

TimetoClimb

Hey guys, I spoke with a recruiter at c5 a few days ago and was very encouraged by the conversation. I'm 9 months from ATP mins and curious if you guys think with all the hiring going on there now seniority and oppertunity won't be spoiled by decemeber. It seems like people bum-rush a given regional after an announcement and then after a period of time the advantages/appeal no longer apply to new hires. More specifically how quickly are the 145's coming online?, which a/c will new hires get ? what's the attrition like currently ? will someone with zero 121 have a good chance of career progression versus one of the larger regionals or flying larger equiptment?

I'm probably over thinking some of this but any sincere input is appreciated.