njd1

The problem in my case is that while I've had my ATP for a long time I only recently joined 121 and therefore don't have as much time as others to camp out at a LCC waiting for the majors to call. My next airline needs to be my destination airline, and I need to get there ASAP to build seniority and QOL as quickly as possible.

Of course I will hang out building PIC and consider getting the all-important check-airman credential until the call comes.

Workhard

yea. I get you. For me, contract is going be how long I stay. I can stay longer and shoot for a major or leave right away or soon for ULCC. Ww are all different views and thoughts.

Bahamasflyer

Biggest factor too is does one live in base for the LCC? If it comes down to this vs commuting to a legacy, that easily might be enough for the LCC to makes sense now vs one of the big 6 later.

Also, does one have any blemishes on their record (or no degree)? If either of those and one is a senior FO or Jr Ca, it probably makes sense to jump on an LCC offer right away and not look back.

PotatoChip

Temporary LOA for years and years... lol.
That 1.5% pay raise though... GMAB.
CommutAir continues to bring up the rear, and management is laughing all the while.

StickPig

I had someone from the union tell me the LOA extension was not leverage they gave up. I’m still a bit confused with that, and my masters level business education and multiple negotiations classes tell me otherwise. Apparently I’m missing something, because it’s telling a different story.

but I do like the senior captains gave themselves a $700 bump in the new LOA...🧐

marshal

They did not give up leverage because they figure it will take 6 months to get the deal done. The last contract was done quickly and there are tons of loopholes in it. They don’t want to make the same mistake twice. The negotiations are progressing, just slower than people want. Why take money away from people if it will not help the overall process. It would be a different story if the company was stonewalling or delaying, but that is not the case.


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StickPig

With respect to knowing these things take time, I don’t believe that has any bearing here. We’re on extension number two, and it’s already been five months since starting negotiations. The seniority list has stopped growing, people are already leaving, but that’s actually benefitted the company in the short term. The landscape of the industry (FFD model) looks drastically different than it did in 2015 at the time of the last signing. This place is still treated like a springboard instead of a feasible destination for some. I don’t think anyone with ambition would want to stay at a regional for life, but certain personal reasons could make it compelling to do so to no fault of that person, and that’s okay. Bleeding pilots for a few months might make the company meet in the middle of some of these issues, and they haven’t even reached the point of discussing the hard stuff yet like scheduling. My bet is that one alone will be a sticking point because of the insanity currently needing to be fixed. Then there’s pay. Another few months in that one. It’s also becoming increasingly apparent that management doesn’t seem to care about money with the myriad things they’ve been offered as stop gaps to help in the short term. Still offering 300% might be nice as a new captain, but most captains are tired of working that extra time each month too. Anticipating the length of time the contract negotiations will take is of little regard to extending the LOA indefinitely, which is what is being done. I’ll always concede that good faith negotiating is absolutely critical when it can be done, but the union offered to open section six early and the company declined. Knowing the new contracts that had just come out like Endeavor and Republic, and knowing what was brewing with the CA shortage here, that should have been enough reason to start thing up early. Instead, they declined that option. A new contract might make it bearable for people to wait it out for their first choice final landing spot in a Delta or United and easier to swallow for DEC’s coming over and not getting totally abused by scheduling. Instead, people are leaving in droves for F9 and other LCC/ULCC’s. The union keeps throwing the company a bone and getting noting back. The only winners were 24+ month CA’s that got a little extra green quarterly, but I’d much rather see them make what they deserve via pay scales. I think they deserve it, especially the people that have been here for a while.

Startcrying

Well our XJT brothers and sisters just got a contract done. Curious to see what they get since they will by far most comparable to what we should get than anyone else. They already get an override bonus for a quarter. The impatience is growing and we are getting further left behind.

JediCheese

FOs are getting the Dash CA pay rates and a small signon bonus. <24 Month CAs got the $50k signon bonus and get extra small bonuses going forward. 24+ month CAs got shafted the last few rounds and seniority is the only thing keeping them here (no bonus to repay if they leave) and thus got a reasonable bonus paycheck.

Agreed. The company showed it's hand when they turned down early section 6.

climb150

When do you think United will notice that their four preferred regionals are the only regionals struggling to hire and retain pilots?

Skywest, Republic, Envoy etc all have full classes and are not offering 300% for Capts most of the month to crew flights.

We are even losing FO's to the LCCs now.