Airline Pilot Central Forums - Compass Updates 2: Revenge of the Sit

What I've heard floating around is Mana Air is buying all of TSH including Compass, probably Commutair as well. UAL will get a new deal on scope allowing more large RJs at Mana Air only in exchange for furlough protection. Mana Air will also have a flow up and down with UAL. It appears that if you aren't part of Mana Air, you will be on the outside looking in with UAL.

Mana Air was created for something bigger than just Expressjet in the failure of the Republic deal last year.

Not saying its a done deal. Nothing is in this business. But this is based on things I have heard from several sources, including UAL pilots.

If there is a way for TSH to screw up and get aced out of this, RL and HK will do it. But for now it looks like this could be where we are headed which will be good for everyone at TSH.

Plausible but do you really think in such a high leverage for pilots market and majors printing money, that UAL pilots will cave on scope?

buddies8

09-06-2019 06:14 AM

It all depends on 2 things,
Ual mgt give protection pilots want for wide body aircraft then throw a few bags of cash and then you have deal done.

Excargodog

09-06-2019 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO (Post 2882303)

Plausible but do you really think in such a high leverage for pilots market and majors printing money, that UAL pilots will cave on scope?

For protection from outsourcing their wide body flying (which they currently don’t have and may be at risk through offshore partners) which is the highest paid positions on their payscale as well as the ability to assure the junior pilots a flow down in the event of furloughs they actually MIGHT. It removes the two greatest vulnerabilities their pilot’s group currently have. It may well be a salable proposition. Whether it can be sold, an LOA written up and signed off in time to help Compass is another question. But the continuation of recruiting and training classes would strongly imply that - if nothing else - Compass MANAGEMENT is willing to place a few bets and toss the dice too.

s3cLyfe

09-06-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 2882223)

LOL did you just say scope has nothing to do with the total number of RJs?

You missed the point. UA isn’t adding any more scope which is what that article is talking about. What we’re talking about RJ flying shifting from one regional to another. Total RJ airframe count remains the same. No additions and subtractions.

FlyingKat

09-06-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2882326)

It all depends on 2 things,
Ual mgt give protection pilots want for wide body aircraft then throw a few bags of cash and then you have deal done.

Well the other thing I heard was a billion dollars in retirement incentives and pay raises at UAL plus furlough protection in exchange for scope.

FlyingKat

09-06-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by s3cLyfe (Post 2882408)

It is also very likely that UAL is going to move RJ flying to Mana Air from other regionals that it can't or won't buy, particularly those that do not accept United flow downs. From your comments it appeared you were saying scope has nothing to do with RJ counts, which it does. Lots going on right now and it is going to be an interesting next few months.

Looks like Mana Air will be the new golden child, but we will see.

Marinth

09-06-2019 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stang (Post 2882289)

Now this is a good one and perhaps something behind it. With class dates continuing etc there is a need for staffing.

It had been getting a little slow on the rumor mill beyond Compass is doomed.

Next month is my ATP/CTP, looking forward to it. I like gambling.

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FlyingKat

09-06-2019 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO (Post 2882303)

Plausible but do you really think in such a high leverage for pilots market and majors printing money, that UAL pilots will cave on scope?

They aren't necessarily caving. Furlough protection and financial inducements would be a pretty big deal. But they wouldn't be the first group to use scope leverage for more money and furlough protection.

stang

09-06-2019 11:58 AM

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:) Yup. Definitely.

Slowhawk

09-06-2019 03:27 PM

Word on the street is that compass pilots are leaving in droves, especially Seattle. It’ll be interesting to see what our attrition numbers show this fall. I remember losing about 40 pilots a month for a while while MSP was closing

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