Losing Delta and New Opportunities
09-09-2019, 07:42 AM
#491
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 11
Originally Posted by week
Woaaah
I’m a negative guy, and this thread just got a little too negative for me, so I’ll share some info.
I have some inside info from MSP and some other places. I cannot/will not share specifics, but if anyone is on the fence about leaving... wait 2 more weeks. Like they said on the employee call... in this business, it’s best to keep the company’s cards close to the chest. Something great is coming and no one wants to let the cat out of the bag and mess it up (if messing it up is still possible at this calendar date). The company would have preferred to keep it more of a secret but the DL announcement forced their hand to prevent panic.
There is more evidence to support this but it’s not my place to share it.
Good news is coming soon. Some posts in this thread seem to be on to something
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But like I said, keep our cards close guys
I’m a negative guy, and this thread just got a little too negative for me, so I’ll share some info.
I have some inside info from MSP and some other places. I cannot/will not share specifics, but if anyone is on the fence about leaving... wait 2 more weeks. Like they said on the employee call... in this business, it’s best to keep the company’s cards close to the chest. Something great is coming and no one wants to let the cat out of the bag and mess it up (if messing it up is still possible at this calendar date). The company would have preferred to keep it more of a secret but the DL announcement forced their hand to prevent panic.
There is more evidence to support this but it’s not my place to share it.
Good news is coming soon. Some posts in this thread seem to be on to something
.But like I said, keep our cards close guys
Originally Posted by week
I am fearful we may receive some bad news this week
09-09-2019, 09:28 AM
#493
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,693
Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Hypomanic A. Currently (or most recently) in a hypomanic episode.
B. There has previously been at least one manic episode or mixed episode.
C. The mood symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The mood episodes in Criteria A and B are not better accounted for by schizoaffective disorder and are not superimposed on schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, delusional disorder, or psychotic disorder not otherwise specified.
Eventually we’ll all be manic depressives...
B. There has previously been at least one manic episode or mixed episode.
C. The mood symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The mood episodes in Criteria A and B are not better accounted for by schizoaffective disorder and are not superimposed on schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, delusional disorder, or psychotic disorder not otherwise specified.
Eventually we’ll all be manic depressives...
09-09-2019, 10:08 AM
#494
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent Episode Hypomanic A. Currently (or most recently) in a hypomanic episode.
B. There has previously been at least one manic episode or mixed episode.
C. The mood symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The mood episodes in Criteria A and B are not better accounted for by schizoaffective disorder and are not superimposed on schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, delusional disorder, or psychotic disorder not otherwise specified.
Eventually we’ll all be manic depressives...
B. There has previously been at least one manic episode or mixed episode.
C. The mood symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The mood episodes in Criteria A and B are not better accounted for by schizoaffective disorder and are not superimposed on schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, delusional disorder, or psychotic disorder not otherwise specified.
Eventually we’ll all be manic depressives...
I was with 2 majors during my career. When the first one went out it took 22 months to get another job as there were 20k of us on the street. I was lucky getting one in 22 months.
When the second one went our I was out 4 months and then started working for a regional owned by a holding company located in St Louis. I could never have imagined how terrible an owner could treat his workers.
All you guys will be with new carriers on a matter of days, not 22 months.
Nobody deserves to work for this guy and his holding company. Every regional is hiring and every compass pilot should be moving on to Skywest or another respectable airline. Stay away from TSA and Gojet because that is more of the same.
Compass closing will be a small bump and in 6 months you will be happy it happened. When you see all the extra pay you will make at a respectable carrier that you did not make at compass you will more than make up for the bump. Of course I don't know how the compass contract was, maybe it was much better than the contracts of the other 2 but I'm sure wherever you go it will be better.
Don't trust a think you are being told over there, they will say whatever they need to to get you to do what they want.
09-09-2019, 10:53 AM
#495
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 377
Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Well Fella I've watched over the years as mainline tough guys like you go around talking big about holding the line on scope and end up caving at the end for the right price. Was there for the Northwest strike in 98 when the tough guys walked out screaming "no way RJ" and swearing that they would stand firm and caved in the end and allowed the RJ 85s. AA claimed they would "hold the line on scope" and never allow anything larger than 50 seats and once again, caved in the end. Delta has always been a wet noodle on scope. I could go on and on. So pardon me if I believe given your past history that in the end UAL will cave just like everybody else once the right carrots and sticks are used. All management needs is 50 percent plus one. In the end you will never be able to figure out how it happened because no one will admit they voted for it, but it will pass....
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
Two major expenses for airlines: fuel and labor...fuel will always be a variable cost, but regionals and joint ventures are helping maximize profits at the majors because its significantly reducing labor costs by not having mainline pilots do the flying. Basic economics, supply and demand...
Last edited by NeverFlexTO; 09-09-2019 at 11:10 AM.
09-09-2019, 10:59 AM
#496
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Well Fella I've watched over the years as mainline tough guys like you go around talking big about holding the line on scope and end up caving at the end for the right price. Was there for the Northwest strike in 98 when the tough guys walked out screaming "no way RJ" and swearing that they would stand firm and caved in the end and allowed the RJ 85s. AA claimed they would "hold the line on scope" and never allow anything larger than 50 seats and once again, caved in the end. Delta has always been a wet noodle on scope. I could go on and on. So pardon me if I believe given your past history that in the end UAL will cave just like everybody else once the right carrots and sticks are used. All management needs is 50 percent plus one. In the end you will never be able to figure out how it happened because no one will admit they voted for it, but it will pass....
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
Keep dreaming big fella
All legacies learned from the past and Bankruptcies got them most of the RJs
NWA strike in 98 had nothing to do with RJs but the two captain rule as well as the 60% FAE retirement
Not chapter 11 times anymore, they make s—- load of money and it’s time to pay up all the pay cuts and scope will get even stronger
253 large RJs max for Delta and UAL
The 550 will be the bigger disaster and it’s only a threat
700s are old planes and I don’t think they make new ones .
09-09-2019, 11:22 AM
#497
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,693
Originally Posted by Sniper66
700s are old planes and I don’t think they make new ones .
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — A B-52H bomber built in the early 1960s and put into retirement in an U.S. Air Force “boneyard” in the Arizona desert over 10 years ago is returning to service.
A crew on Tuesday flew the plane nicknamed “Wise Guy” to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana from Tucson where it had been in a sprawling aircraft storage area at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.
Officials said it was the bomber’s first flight since 2008 and only the second time that a B-52H has taken from the storage area and returned to service.
It took months of work to make the bomber airworthy again, and additional restoration work is required to put it back in service.
The bomber will replace one destroyed in a 2016 fire at a base in Guam
A crew on Tuesday flew the plane nicknamed “Wise Guy” to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana from Tucson where it had been in a sprawling aircraft storage area at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.
Officials said it was the bomber’s first flight since 2008 and only the second time that a B-52H has taken from the storage area and returned to service.
It took months of work to make the bomber airworthy again, and additional restoration work is required to put it back in service.
The bomber will replace one destroyed in a 2016 fire at a base in Guam
