Losing Delta and New Opportunities
#511
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Lest we not forget about Compass’ history. Atlantic Coast Airlines lost its big United express contract and shortly thereafter ended the delta connect flying. Only to rebrand and start their new LCC venture: “Independence Air.” Which only lasted two years. The independence (ACA) cert was bought by Northwest and name “newco” which layer became compass. Maybe history will repeat itself and we’ll enter the LCC market as Moxy...or...drumroll...the rebirth of Independence Air!
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From: Taco Rocket Operator
Keep dreaming big fella
All legacies learned from the past and Bankruptcies got them most of the RJs
NWA strike in 98 had nothing to do with RJs but the two captain rule as well as the 60% FAE retirement
Not chapter 11 times anymore, they make s—- load of money and it’s time to pay up all the pay cuts and scope will get even stronger
253 large RJs max for Delta and UAL
The 550 will be the bigger disaster and it’s only a threat
700s are old planes and I don’t think they make new ones .
All legacies learned from the past and Bankruptcies got them most of the RJs
NWA strike in 98 had nothing to do with RJs but the two captain rule as well as the 60% FAE retirement
Not chapter 11 times anymore, they make s—- load of money and it’s time to pay up all the pay cuts and scope will get even stronger
253 large RJs max for Delta and UAL
The 550 will be the bigger disaster and it’s only a threat
700s are old planes and I don’t think they make new ones .
#518
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Pilots have all the leverage now, because airlines are making money hand over fist...personal opinion but I think United pilots would never relax RJ scope, once you give something up, you’ll never get it back. Not one single friend that works at UAL said they would vote for a TA that would allow what your proposing, there’s a changing of the guards at all majors going on right now. No longer are scales tipped to ex military pilots with little regard for RJ scope. You’re seeing a movement of ex-regional pilots who were beat down for the last 10-15 years and strong educational pieces from MECs about the consequences of relieving scope clauses. While I understand this is how things have gone, I truly feel the tide has/is changing...
Two major expenses for airlines: fuel and labor...fuel will always be a variable cost, but regionals and joint ventures are helping maximize profits at the majors because its significantly reducing labor costs by not having mainline pilots do the flying. Basic economics, supply and demand...
Two major expenses for airlines: fuel and labor...fuel will always be a variable cost, but regionals and joint ventures are helping maximize profits at the majors because its significantly reducing labor costs by not having mainline pilots do the flying. Basic economics, supply and demand...
Those RJ pilots also saw mainline guys get furloughed while regionals were hiring like crazy and the mainline guys were either getting treated like a newhire at a regional or delivering pizzas. Furlough protection is a big deal. UAL will use the threat of the 550 with no protection, or scope relief and furlough protection through a flow down at a regional, most likely Mana Air. It will be a no brainer in the end. In one case you get a bunch of 550s you have no rights to (which are allowed under the current contract), or you make a deal to relax scope and get furlough protection so if a furlough ever happens again, regional pilots, not mainline pilots will be hitting the street.
The gauntlet has been laid down with the 550 and that negates some of the leverage on scope.
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Those RJ pilots also saw mainline guys get furloughed while regionals were hiring like crazy and the mainline guys were either getting treated like a newhire at a regional or delivering pizzas. Furlough protection is a big deal. UAL will use the threat of the 550 with no protection, or scope relief and furlough protection through a flow down at a regional, most likely Mana Air. It will be a no brainer in the end. In one case you get a bunch of 550s you have no rights to (which are allowed under the current contract), or you make a deal to relax scope and get furlough protection so if a furlough ever happens again, regional pilots, not mainline pilots will be hitting the street.
The gauntlet has been laid down with the 550 and that negates some of the leverage on scope.
The gauntlet has been laid down with the 550 and that negates some of the leverage on scope.
Sun Country pilots will rue the day they failed to get scope when we become their regional feed Spring 2020!
#520
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How will a CRJ-550 scare the UAL pilots? It’s only 25 airplanes. It’s just a stopgap. Even if they create more it won’t be an economical business strategy.
The CASM on it isn’t very good. Add in more expensive fuel and things get worse.
Almost everyone can see it being a failure from day one. Interesting idea though.
The CASM on it isn’t very good. Add in more expensive fuel and things get worse.
Almost everyone can see it being a failure from day one. Interesting idea though.


