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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Sure. I’m still pulling for giving up the AA flying and we all become startup cadre for Moxy. Those of us who haven’t already jumped to a major yet anyway. Seems like most of the captains I know the best already have class dates.
Lest we not forget about Compass’ history. Atlantic Coast Airlines lost its big United express contract and shortly thereafter ended the delta connect flying. Only to rebrand and start their new LCC venture: “Independence Air.” Which only lasted two years. The independence (ACA) cert was bought by Northwest and name “newco” which layer became compass. Maybe history will repeat itself and we’ll enter the LCC market as Moxy...or...drumroll...the rebirth of Independence Air!
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by s3cLyfe
Lest we not forget about Compass’ history.
I think I forgot about that 15 minutes after I interviewed here. Moxy would be pretty awesome I think
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I think I forgot about that 15 minutes after I interviewed here. Moxy would be pretty awesome I think
You knew that for your interview? Mine was more of a these-scope on the chest and a mirror in front of my face.
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Old 09-09-2019 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by s3cLyfe
You knew that for your interview? Mine was more of a these-scope on the chest and a mirror in front of my face.

You needed a heartbeat and to be breathing? I merely had to be able to cast a shadow on a sunny day. Of course they were hurting bad after the hiring freeze..
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Old 09-09-2019 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You needed a heartbeat and to be breathing? I merely had to be able to cast a shadow on a sunny day. Of course they were hurting bad after the hiring freeze..
Somehow I had someone who interviewed the same day as me in early 2018 not get the job
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Old 09-09-2019 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yrbroom
Somehow I had someone who interviewed the same day as me in early 2018 not get the job
Same here. Wonder if we interviewed on the same day. I wasn't shocked he wasn't hired. Looked like a clown in his suit
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Old 09-09-2019 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Keep dreaming big fella
All legacies learned from the past and Bankruptcies got them most of the RJs
NWA strike in 98 had nothing to do with RJs but the two captain rule as well as the 60% FAE retirement

Not chapter 11 times anymore, they make s—- load of money and it’s time to pay up all the pay cuts and scope will get even stronger
253 large RJs max for Delta and UAL
The 550 will be the bigger disaster and it’s only a threat
700s are old planes and I don’t think they make new ones .
Well big fella the 550s will be certified at any time. Gojet expects to be flying them late next month, and three more are on the STL ramp with more on the way. UAL management is ready to play hardball and the 550 will be the bat.
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Old 09-09-2019 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
Pilots have all the leverage now, because airlines are making money hand over fist...personal opinion but I think United pilots would never relax RJ scope, once you give something up, you’ll never get it back. Not one single friend that works at UAL said they would vote for a TA that would allow what your proposing, there’s a changing of the guards at all majors going on right now. No longer are scales tipped to ex military pilots with little regard for RJ scope. You’re seeing a movement of ex-regional pilots who were beat down for the last 10-15 years and strong educational pieces from MECs about the consequences of relieving scope clauses. While I understand this is how things have gone, I truly feel the tide has/is changing...

Two major expenses for airlines: fuel and labor...fuel will always be a variable cost, but regionals and joint ventures are helping maximize profits at the majors because its significantly reducing labor costs by not having mainline pilots do the flying. Basic economics, supply and demand...

Those RJ pilots also saw mainline guys get furloughed while regionals were hiring like crazy and the mainline guys were either getting treated like a newhire at a regional or delivering pizzas. Furlough protection is a big deal. UAL will use the threat of the 550 with no protection, or scope relief and furlough protection through a flow down at a regional, most likely Mana Air. It will be a no brainer in the end. In one case you get a bunch of 550s you have no rights to (which are allowed under the current contract), or you make a deal to relax scope and get furlough protection so if a furlough ever happens again, regional pilots, not mainline pilots will be hitting the street.

The gauntlet has been laid down with the 550 and that negates some of the leverage on scope.
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Old 09-09-2019 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Those RJ pilots also saw mainline guys get furloughed while regionals were hiring like crazy and the mainline guys were either getting treated like a newhire at a regional or delivering pizzas. Furlough protection is a big deal. UAL will use the threat of the 550 with no protection, or scope relief and furlough protection through a flow down at a regional, most likely Mana Air. It will be a no brainer in the end. In one case you get a bunch of 550s you have no rights to (which are allowed under the current contract), or you make a deal to relax scope and get furlough protection so if a furlough ever happens again, regional pilots, not mainline pilots will be hitting the street.

The gauntlet has been laid down with the 550 and that negates some of the leverage on scope.
UAL scope?? Small potatoes.

Sun Country pilots will rue the day they failed to get scope when we become their regional feed Spring 2020!
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Old 09-09-2019 | 07:53 PM
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How will a CRJ-550 scare the UAL pilots? It’s only 25 airplanes. It’s just a stopgap. Even if they create more it won’t be an economical business strategy.

The CASM on it isn’t very good. Add in more expensive fuel and things get worse.

Almost everyone can see it being a failure from day one. Interesting idea though.
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