Mesaba / Compass FLOWBACK
06-18-2008, 10:34 PM
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Fairly certain, though it has been some time since I checked, that a mainline flowback pilot would give up their NWA seniority number if they choose to accept a flowback position at Compass.
I don't see 12-14 spots at Mesaba being much of an issue (save for the unfortunate 12-14 FOs that are right on the line with whatever Mesaba's eventual furlough may look like.).
Anybody have opinions on management's end game as to why the Compass flowback is structured the way it is? Save the obvious of decreasing the mainline's labor costs by shoving well paid DC-9 pilots out the door into a lower paid 76 seater. What is management's power play? Perhaps, "You can keep your seniority, but you need to let us have more 76 seaters?" Opinions on how it will play out once the Compass planes are full of mainliners?
I don't see 12-14 spots at Mesaba being much of an issue (save for the unfortunate 12-14 FOs that are right on the line with whatever Mesaba's eventual furlough may look like.).
Anybody have opinions on management's end game as to why the Compass flowback is structured the way it is? Save the obvious of decreasing the mainline's labor costs by shoving well paid DC-9 pilots out the door into a lower paid 76 seater. What is management's power play? Perhaps, "You can keep your seniority, but you need to let us have more 76 seaters?" Opinions on how it will play out once the Compass planes are full of mainliners?
06-18-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Radar
Fairly certain, though it has been some time since I checked, that a mainline flowback pilot would give up their NWA seniority number if they choose to accept a flowback position at Compass.
06-18-2008, 11:23 PM
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So the seniority thing is off the table....
That's not good for the Compass folk one bit. It makes it much easier to take the flowback if you give nothing up. Some pay is better than no pay... But, would you make more with unemployment than at Compass if you were furloughed from the mainline?
That's not good for the Compass folk one bit. It makes it much easier to take the flowback if you give nothing up. Some pay is better than no pay... But, would you make more with unemployment than at Compass if you were furloughed from the mainline?
06-19-2008, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Thats very true. Also why is there any confusion on how a flow agreement works?
Sure would keep the sim instructors busy - oops, sorry they would be junior and have to go back to the line as FOs.
06-19-2008, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Radar
So the seniority thing is off the table....
That's not good for the Compass folk one bit. It makes it much easier to take the flowback if you give nothing up. Some pay is better than no pay... But, would you make more with unemployment than at Compass if you were furloughed from the mainline?
That's not good for the Compass folk one bit. It makes it much easier to take the flowback if you give nothing up. Some pay is better than no pay... But, would you make more with unemployment than at Compass if you were furloughed from the mainline?
Not if you are furloughed while on probation at NWA.
06-19-2008, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
My question was not in the context of "flow agreement." It refered to the previous post question of what happens if the Mesaba (or Compass, etc) pilot list is stapled to a merged NWA/Delta pilot list. All of a sudden 1,200 pilots (some with 10,000 hours and 15 years who never wanted to go to a major) are junior to the newest DC9 FO.
Sure would keep the sim instructors busy - oops, sorry they would be junior and have to go back to the line as FOs.
Sure would keep the sim instructors busy - oops, sorry they would be junior and have to go back to the line as FOs.
06-19-2008, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
Couldn't a Mesaaba CRJ900 Captain (500 hrs in aircraft) end up as a CRJ900 FO flying with a CRJ900 Capt (25 hours in aircraft) who used to be a mainline DC9 FO ?
06-19-2008, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
So how would you feel about being stapled to the bottom of the merged DL/NW SL? Not a flame, just curious if you guys would agree to that.
06-19-2008, 09:05 AM
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I don't ever see a staple being done with Mesaba unless there are some strong fences to protect the xj pilots. Many of us are lifers and would fight tooth and nail from being displaced to a FO position. Who cares if it's on heavier iron, I don't care to be a chamelion for some crusty ol mainliner. I want my days off, vacation and QOL and enjoy my time on the SAAB. Someday maybe even one of those machines with the props hidden in two coors cans.
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