Mesaba / Compass FLOWBACK
06-19-2008, 07:38 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
I agree, I don't think that will ever get off the ground.
Mesabah, maybe I missed something (happens all the time), but since when has a regional pilot group been in a position to demand seniority list integration with the mainline?????
Mesabah, maybe I missed something (happens all the time), but since when has a regional pilot group been in a position to demand seniority list integration with the mainline?????
06-19-2008, 07:39 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
I don't know if this is the answer but it makes for interesting reading:
http://www.expressjetpilots.com/the-...ny-mohawk.html
On May 16, the Senate Commerce Committee added an amendment to the FAA Reauthorization bill (the Aviation Investment and Modernization Act of 2007, S.1300) that would impose Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions (LPPs) on any future airline mergers or acquisitions. If the bill is approved with this amendment, it will significantly impact the financial feasibility of future airline mergers and acquisitions. It could also nullify existing merger provisions in collective bargaining agreements negotiated between airlines and unions.
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A requirement that provisions be made for the integration of seniority lists "in a fair and equitable manner," including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the airlines and the representatives of the employees affected.
http://www.expressjetpilots.com/the-...ny-mohawk.html
On May 16, the Senate Commerce Committee added an amendment to the FAA Reauthorization bill (the Aviation Investment and Modernization Act of 2007, S.1300) that would impose Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions (LPPs) on any future airline mergers or acquisitions. If the bill is approved with this amendment, it will significantly impact the financial feasibility of future airline mergers and acquisitions. It could also nullify existing merger provisions in collective bargaining agreements negotiated between airlines and unions.
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A requirement that provisions be made for the integration of seniority lists "in a fair and equitable manner," including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the airlines and the representatives of the employees affected.
06-19-2008, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
If there are more junior people at Mesaba then they could out vote the senior guys if it was ever brought to vote at mesaba. Thus giving the senior guys no choice. A SLI merger scenario would never happen to bring the regionals on board. In reality if it ever happened it would end up as a vote to bring the regional list over and put at the bottom. That would be the first big step in the right direction in this industry.
06-19-2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
The paragraph contains the word "acquisition."
You're Wholly owned now so why aren't you "NWA" pilots now? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Look at the NWA/DAL SLI do you actually think an integration of a major and a regional pilot list would EVER get off the ground?
06-19-2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
That's under a Merger scenario. An attempt to bring the regionals over to the majors wouldn't be done in a merger scenario. It would be a vote at the regionals to allow the "staple". Other than doing it that way it would never be allowed to happen. If you have more junior pilots at your company they could out vote the senior guys and allow it. Doing so would be good for the industry as a whole.
06-19-2008, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
That's the problem, you can't just get scope back.Watch closely what happens with the joint contract. Word is they are going to reduce the number of 70 seaters allowed under the scope language. It's up to the company to decide what to do with the regionals. They can shut them down and incur billions in contract penalties or merger them in and let the pilots battle over seniority They can do what they want with wholly owned companies.. I think you know which one they would choosesee below......
06-19-2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
You're Wholly owned now so why aren't you "NWA" pilots now? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? . . . . .
06-19-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
DAL is making it pretty clear what their plans are with RJ's. They are chopping 60-70 RJ's initially. It appears that DAL wants to get rid of the smaller "RJ's" in place of bigger planes. We shall see. I think you know that a SLI between any regional and the new DAL will NEVER happen so there is no point in arguing it. If you dont want to be brought over to mainline then fine it probably wont happen anyway.. Its funny though most of the Compass guys are smart enough to see the benefits of it. They are represented by the NWALPA though so its a different deal for them.
Yes the new delta contract reduces the number of 70 seat RJ's to 255 from the original 290. together delta and NWA currently operate less than 200 of these things, so they can buy more. The career slide still continues......
06-19-2008, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
Tain't personal. Never been a NWA / Mesaba / Compass employee. Just trying to get educated.
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