No kidding. Last year they said they expected flows in the fall (CP newsletter and he is a stand up guy and doesn't usually feed rumors) and nothing happened. I don't think they will know until DAL says "Give us the next 20".

My crystal ball shows 3 groups of 20 flowing in early 2014 and that will be it for the year.

Maybe. I'm just basing that on the asumption that "once hiring starts it'll be a billion pilots a month and never stop" talk. I guess very limited hiring is possible. Is CPZ fat right now? I know they have 60-90 days to hold back but that's barely enough to get guys from the street/pool to the line anyway.

I was hired at CPZ in a group of 48 new hires at the end of '09, in anticipation of a buildup in NYC due to the Slot/Swap deal that was in the works at the time. This deal ended up falling through around Mar '10. Then about a month later the MEM base closing was announced. A month after that flows were announced, and about two months after that the sale occurred. In the meantime, at least two fairly credible flow rumors have come and gone with no movement. Long story short, there is really no telling what is going to happen here, unless it already happened, in which case the regular line pilots are the last to know. :rolleyes: All that being said, I'd still be hopeful if you are swimming in the pool...With legacies starting to hire I'm sure attrition will begin to happen around here, and once flows do start, the movement at CPZ will likely out-pace any other regional out there.

If DAL does hire for six months, they will take a full flow class of around 112 pilots. That is 25% of the list. There will be very few, if any other regionals that will have that kind of attrition. Every month that DAL hires (assuming that DAL will hire another pilot), pilots at CPZ will move up the list at a rate of 4-5% per month.

DAL HR at WAI, said they don't anticipate hiring until mid-late 2014. That's a looong time to be in a pool. When all the legacies start hiring in 2014, you'll see movement from across the regional board...

I bet that's off the street hiring. Flows could start sooner than that.

They only know what the current plan is, if for example delta were to find 6 additional 717s to bring online in the next several months then HR would have to revise their plan.

So the last couple pages of this thread make it pretty clear nothing major will happen at Compass until something happens at Delta. Besides future attrition with Delta flows, are there people leaving Compass for greener pastures? I would imagine non eligible flow pilots might want to bail if they find better jobs. Is the E170 type helping people land better jobs (JetBlue, USair, maybe in China or overseas)? What is current attrition like? What about the contract situation? Can Compass expect any improvements or just shoot for “industry average” that is slowly being brought down by the likes of recent concessionary contracts from Pinnacle and Eagle. How about future growth outside of Delta?

Your claim is not consistent with the posts in the "WAI Intel" thread, most posts in there said the recruiters anticipated hiring late this year with classes early next year. I know it's all he-said-she-said at this point, and DAL is going to hire when DAL is going to hire, but I just figured I'd point it out.

What I find interesting is DAL will have 5,000 mandatory retirements in the next 10 years, and if they continue with their fleet plan (adding mainline airframes while reducing regional airframes to maintain flat system-wide capacity), they will need to hire more pilots than what is required for retirements. So let's say 5,000 (shrinking system-wide capacity / no mainline growth) - 7,000 (conservative system-wide growth / mainline growth) pilots hired in the next 10 years. If DAL started hiring today, they would need to hire 500 - 700 pilots / year. So, I guess even the "bad" news that we would have to wait until the end of 2014 to see mainline DAL hire is also good news...the longer DAL waits to hire, the more pilots they will have to hire each year to meet staffing requirements. New hires will spend less time on reserve / possibly stuck in a base they do not want