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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1582387)

Now it just comes down to the language in your contract which I highly doubt says "captain type rating." When I was talking to recruiters, they specifically said they have to issue a PIC type rating which you can do with an r-ATP.

11.V.19. "All furloughed Northwest pilots and new hire pilots shall be provided a Captain type rating in initial training for their original First Officer position at Compass."

The specific qualifications for an FO to upgrade are also defined in the CBA.

How has 117 effected Compass staffing? Are reserves getting used and abused?

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Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 1581386)

Yes, if anyone has received a job offer without an unrestricted ATP (or meet the requirements for said certificate) that was issued under 61.153 and 61.159 be very careful. The part of the regs. that deals with a restricted ATP (61.160), has limitations listed in 61.167 that prevents a Captain type rating from being issued.

You have bad info...

CFR 61.167 limitations:

(b) Limitations. A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate and has not satisfied the age requirement of §61.153(a)(1) and the aeronautical experience requirements of §61.159 may not:

(1) Act as pilot in command in operations conducted under part 121, §91.1053(a)(2)(i), or §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or

(2) Serve as second in command in flag or supplemental operations in part 121 of this chapter requiring three or more pilots.

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Originally Posted by SiShane (Post 1582635)

How has 117 effected Compass staffing? Are reserves getting used and abused?

Not on reserve but it sure seems like it. Lots of critical pay the past week or so. Might be better once everyone is done with training, in normal times reserves hardly get hammered.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 1582387)

I disagree. First, there is no such thing as a "Captain type-rating." There is a Type rating (aka PIC type rating) and a SIC Type. When you take your checkride for your restricted-ATP/type, it will be the same checkride as someone who is taking an unrestricted ATP/type ride.

61.167 says nothing about ISSUING a type rating. It just says that you may not "act as pilot in command" under part 121. Once you meet the aeronautical or age requirement, you only have to provide proof to the FAA that you now have the minimums for an unrestricted certificate (through a 8710) and your restriction is removed without any further action.

Now it just comes down to the language in your contract which I highly doubt says "captain type rating." When I was talking to recruiters, they specifically said they have to issue a PIC type rating which you can do with an r-ATP. Technically, by your logic, the only people who qualify to be an FO at Compass are those with Part121 or 135 time because you can't be qualified as a Captain at any 121 operation unless you have 1000 SIC.

Not sure where you got this info from but many companies hire street captain's and I have never heard of someone having to reach 1000 hours SIC before upgrade. So I would venture to say this is false unless there is some rule I have never heard of.
However, as a union company with a contract I would hope that people aren't trying to find a way to let the company "break" this contract.
It was put in place to stop the hiring of low time pilots and help force more experience and hopefully higher pay going forward.

I love to see people achieving their dreams, but sometime's people need to be protected from themselves.

New rules: u need 1000 -121 hrs to be pic -121...typically u get those hours as -121 SIC.

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Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 1582867)

New rules: u need 1000 -121 hrs to be pic -121...typically u get those hours as -121 SIC.

I don't have it in front of me but I believe it's 1000 121 or 135 time. I think there's another stipulation with 135 time too.

I think the -135 is correct also....forgot...

The 1000 hour limitation is for being a Captain, not earning an ATP certificate. Those events are separate.

I'm pretty sure that an ATP (or the ability to hold one) is required for employment in the Compass contract.