DaCat1989

is LA still junior? if so, will it be junior for a long while?

just wondering because compass is at the top of my list. however, i'm only at 1200tt and currently working at an operator which will have me at 1500 by the end of the summer and i'd love to stay on the west side of the country....

typical41

It likely will remain junior. But will mostly depend on the people we hire in the next month's. Also, pretty sure with our new LOA, the company is now able to hire pilots with restricted atp's and less than 1500 hours.

DaCat1989

Thats cool. Only thing is that the university i went to isn't on the "Institution Authority" list for the R-ATP. So i have to have 1500. Otherwise i'd apply right now!

typical41

Here is a chart I made of some month-to-month staffing numbers for Compass, as the flows depart and as more of aircraft come online next year. While this chart is not going to be completely accurate, I do believe it illustrates the need for us to be filling classes of more than 20 per month, beginning now. Even if we did start right now with 20 per month, it still leaves Compass with an extreme understaffed situation come fall of 2015.

Some of the assumptions for the numbers in the chart(BTW - This does not indicate what I think will or should happen. These assumptions are for demonstration purposes only):

*470 seniority list pilots needed to staff the 42 airplanes Compass currently operates for Delta.

*20 new hires a month beginning in July

*1 pilot per month on average leaving Compass for anything other than DL Flow

*Active Pilots in this example only refers to the number of pilots who are NOT in initial new-hire training or Upgrade training. In this example it has NOTHING to do with instructor pilots, other non-biding pilots, etc.

*Pilots in training number of 80 (for most of the months) is assuming 60-70 new-hires in training at any given time, as well as 10 -20 upgrades for any give time. Yes, I know this is not accurate, it will most likely be more than this for any given month. Again, just an example.

captnmo

Thanks for the chart. What do you think upgrade times will be from here going forward? My hire date is June 12 2014. I know it's really a guesstamite based on current information .


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RTRD

So what you're saying is that Compass is hanging onto the tail of the plane as usual with no plan in place to get back into the driver's seat. We should be at the very least hiring more instructors and check airmen right now to prepare for the massive training wave. I'm sure it will work out somehow, it always has, but it will be a complete goat rope as usual only worse. We do have some smart people in the training scheduling department right now though. I know there was a chart in the office there with all the training schedule from now til the end of 2015...but that was before the AA announcement so that can go right in the garbage. It's too bad, I hear the chart guy was really proud of it.

In regards to the upgrade question...upgrade time will come down to under 2 years here soon I think and should be that way for a almost a year. I don't have a chart, that's just a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess).

MrMustache

What makes you guys think it will be only 20 a month?

Broncoav8r

I agree, what do the numbers look like if they go to 30-35 new hires per month?

I can only imagine the AA proposal includes an additional sim and possibly IPT.

pagey

20/month is what the other regionals have been able to attract.

Perhaps Compass being seen as a more desirable destination that PSA or Mesa will allow them the extra 10-15/month.

typical41

If I had to guess, for June 2014 new-hire I would say upgrade time would be right at 1 year to 14 months. Come late fall/early winter 2014, upgrade time will drop to less than 18 months. Again though, just a guess.