So of the 241 FOs on property today, does that figure include September and most of October new hires too? Also how many upgrades will there be for the remaining of this year? And this mentioned training plan for next year, any idea on how many upgrades per month?

The last October class started yesterday. We now have 497 pilots on property through the October classes.

16-20 upgrades in January
24 upgrades in February
32 upgrades in march
Some months have closer to 40 per month after march.

I would expect to lose 145 pilots to flow in 2015 and also another 20 - 30 pilots (low estimate) to attrition for other airlines. Then we have to add around 220 pilots for the AA flying. And we were short staffed to begin with.

Hope that helps.

God help us. Highly doubt we have enough check airmen to do IOE at a pace that will be anywhere close to how fast the new hires and upgrades will be exiting the schoolhouse.

the 241 count i came up with was including the 10/9 class.

Thanks. So January to March about 76 upgrades. If between April-September they average 32 upgrades a month, thats 268 upgrades alone. If its closer to 40 between April-Sept thats over 300 upgrades. I just stopped at September as a conservative guess.

Is there no Oct new hire class next week?

I'm in the Nov 13th class. So my seniority# should be 20-30 numbers above that 497. After flows and attrition, my seniority should be between 340-350 seniority, with low estimate attrition. I still don't get how I would miss an upgrade next year, I'd be less than 50% seniority in the company. Still not accounting for bypassing.

You won't miss it. Relax.

Point taken, I think you've said it about 4-5 times now?;)

300+ makes sense to me. Just hearing the logic of the counter claims.

Maybe ask them if you can just upgrade when you go to new-hire training. :eek:

I must sound pretty entitled! :confused:

I hear one side saying 250 another 300+. Not panicking, or looking for assurance. Just skeptical 250 upgrades (350 CA) can adequately staff 63 airframes.

I am very confident you will upgrade in 2015. If I had to guess a month, I would say around November 2015, possibly earlier. We have many people at this airline that do not, and still will not meet upgrade requirments when their number comes up. We even have some hired over a year ago that don't meet the requirements.

What you need to hope for, is that this airline will have enough pilots on line by late 2015, so that they have the staffing to allow the fo's to upgrade. If we are behind on FO staffing, we won't be able to run the upgrade classes as soon as the company, or you, would like. The more time that passes, the more FO's that become qualified(who previously were not).

You know this isn't SkyWest right? Lol, we'll be understaffed forrrrrrrrevvvvvvvvvver. :p

Just giving you crap man.