Hopefully back east

 

Yes please!

 

wont happen

 

Willing to bet?

If you look at some of the future flying, there's a lot of SEA, but MSP will be picking back up and there's a rumor that LGA could be making a come back this June

 

The only constant is change, no one get to crazy. Just wager in 6 packs of beer.

 

2 years ago now, we never touched the West Coast. No one fathomed having an LAX base let alone become the biggest base of ours. Anything can happen in regional playland. You must not have been working at the regionals long enough to realize this Tunes. My guess is Compass is GONE in 4-5 years

 

I also vote to ditch ADTG. I experienced both reserve and a bottom line on ADTG. Out of 3 months on reserve ADTG only got me over min guarantee once. Then the first bottom line I got had 4 (yes 4) 30 hr. overnights all built as close as possible to 19 hrs. One was exactly 19. So I worked my butt off the other days we did fly. Under pay for calendar day off those trips would have been worth 23 hrs. That means I either lost 4 days off or about $1180 depending how you want to look at it. Luckily I was able to put several turns on the partial trade board that people picked up. Not gonna lie, that did work well because I lost only minutes of pay to ditch the turns and whoever picked them up got paid at least 4:45 too. This method however is no help when no one picks it up though and there' are never any green days to drop anything. It also works less now since most trips out of my MSP base start by heading out west day 1 and not returning til day 4 or 5 so you can't get rid of any turns. The day trip turns picked up are great for locals looking to add some credit, but what help is that to all our commuter pilots?

In the end I think ADTG helps bottom lineholders, reserves, and pilots living in base, but not nearly as much as we had hoped. Shouldn't seniority mean something though? I don't think we should be working so hard to benefit junior pilots at the expense of senior ones. For those of us on the bottom I know it's hard to swallow, but as don't we all want something to look forward too? Aren't we all going to be moving up the food chain here soon? I had the most to benefit from ADTG, but still don't believe I was better off with it.

My last argument has been said before and I believe it too. If pay for calendar day overnights was repulsive enough to the company to make them resort to underhanded tactics to try and get rid of it, or at least delay it, then that more than anything means it's a good deal for us.

 

I'd prefer a 4 hr min day for every day away from base but...

The way I read the contract language is 4 hr per DUTY day. Big difference. If staffing allowed it could they fly you somewhere, sit for 2 days, and fly back for a total of 8hrs over 4 days?

Did I misread or misinterpret something?

 

That's what this whole issue is about. We have the chance to change over now to the system we negotiated 6 months ago which would pay a min of 4 hours per duty day AND 4 hours pay AND CREDIT for any calendar day spent sitting in a hotel. Getting the credit is important so it counts toward your credit for the month which means more days off. So a 4 day trip with 16 hours of total block time and a 30 hr. sit in a hotel on a day would pay 20 hrs.

 

We currently get the 4 hrs per duty day with an Average Guarantee for the whole trip of 4:45 per day.

The debate is that we have a chance to go to 4 hrs pay and credit for every calender day, but it would cost us the 4:45 ADTG