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01-17-2015 | 08:02 AM
#5661
Banned
Joined: Jan 2015
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Drogs03 is right. Don't fall for the propaganda the union and the company are spouting out. The union is saving face, putting lipstick on a pig (not sure why since the mastermind behind it is gone now), and the company is never on your side. Overall, the average daily credit is a bad idea for the majority. The min day credit is a better deal overall. The company will inevitably build pairings that will financial benefit them more but it's harder to do that and properly staff the airline with the 4 hour min day pay.
There is no min day pay option without the adtg.
If you're new here, don't fall for the union BS or the company telling you it's a better deal. I lost out on 16 hours of PAY in November and 12 hours of pay in October and 12 hours of pay in December due to the average daily credit BS. If we had had 4 hour min day like we negotiated in our contract then I would have that money in my pocket.
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
Because of this, you will get an extra 4 hours of pay/credit, for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned (which is nice), but can also get 4:00 2 days and 8:00 3 days.
01-17-2015 | 08:04 AM
#5662
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 45
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Theory? You just explained exactly how a pilot can get paid 4:00 for a 2 day and 8:00 for a 3 day. With the adtg, the pay would be a minimum of 8:00 and 14:15.
If anyone is trying to brainwash this pilot group, it is you. I am just letting them know that we do not get 4:00 min day pay if we get rid of the adtg (because that is FACT).
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
As long as you guys keep saying we are better off with a non-existent min-day pay option, I will keep correcting you.
If anyone is trying to brainwash this pilot group, it is you. I am just letting them know that we do not get 4:00 min day pay if we get rid of the adtg (because that is FACT).
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
As long as you guys keep saying we are better off with a non-existent min-day pay option, I will keep correcting you.
01-17-2015 | 08:12 AM
#5663
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Joined: Jan 2015
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Where are you getting this? Don't you remember how we got into this mess in the first place? We were getting 4 hour min days and the only thing that we were upset about was not getting the 4 hours of credit for the 30 hour overnights. Now that can be resolved. What's so hard to understand?
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
We were never getting 4 hour min day before. All we we were getting was 4 hours pay for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned. We should have been getting credit as well and that is why we are in this mess
Again, without the adtg, we do not get 4:00 min day pay, we only get... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
It's in the LOA. Read it.
01-17-2015 | 08:51 AM
#5664
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 488
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From: 35B
We all get that 8 hour 3 days are undesirable. However, they are the exception to the rule. And unfortunately, JR/RSV pilots will have to get stuck flying them. That's what being part of a seniority system has always been about. Once seniority improves by just a bit, you should be able to avoid the few trips that the ADTG helps against.
However, 30 hr overnights have always played a significant part of our pairings, and will probably continue to do so. Having the 4 hr pay AND credit for those pairings will help a large number of our Line Holders, which is what RSV and JR patiently wait to become. And they will. In the meantime, gotta suck it up and fly those FEW inefficient trips.
However, 30 hr overnights have always played a significant part of our pairings, and will probably continue to do so. Having the 4 hr pay AND credit for those pairings will help a large number of our Line Holders, which is what RSV and JR patiently wait to become. And they will. In the meantime, gotta suck it up and fly those FEW inefficient trips.
01-17-2015 | 09:20 AM
#5665
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 41
From: Middle Seat
Why do you keep ignoring the language in the contract/LOA?
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
We were never getting 4 hour min day before. All we we were getting was 4 hours pay for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned. We should have been getting credit as well and that is why we are in this mess
Again, without the adtg, we do not get 4:00 min day pay, we only get... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
It's in the LOA. Read it.
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
We were never getting 4 hour min day before. All we we were getting was 4 hours pay for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned. We should have been getting credit as well and that is why we are in this mess
Again, without the adtg, we do not get 4:00 min day pay, we only get... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
It's in the LOA. Read it.
Section 4.B.1 of the CBA spells it out and it WILL NOT CHANGE no matter if we stick with ADTG or 4 hour min day with/without duty.
Originally Posted by Compass Pilot CBA
A Pilot shall receive a minimum of four hours (4:00) of pay and credit for each Duty Period.
01-17-2015 | 09:40 AM
#5666
On Reserve
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 23
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From: EMB145 FO
Hey y'all, I'm starting orientation next Thursday, January 22nd. Couple of quick things:
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
01-17-2015 | 09:48 AM
#5667
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 249
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This issue just needs to be put to a vote, yesterday. I would guess it will say retract ADTG, and it will be by a margin on 95%. Quit arguing about it and put it to god damn vote.
01-17-2015 | 10:03 AM
#5668
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,286
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From: Middle Seat
Hey y'all, I'm starting orientation next Thursday, January 22nd. Couple of quick things:
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
I doubt they'll give you a parking pass on orientation and you're not allowed to park your car for more than 10 days in a row anyways. Save yourself the hassle and don't bring your car until ground school starts.
01-17-2015 | 10:05 AM
#5669
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 675
Likes: 20
Hey y'all, I'm starting orientation next Thursday, January 22nd. Couple of quick things:
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
Orientation is either 8 or 8:30, can't remember right now. It will be on the offer letter that you received.. Also orientation is at the Pan Am Training Academy. Meet your class in the lobby and hang out until someone comes to get you.
Also, when the system chief gives his presentation he'll mention parking passes and be able to get you on that afternoon.
Just read your offer letter and email Nettie with questions.
01-17-2015 | 01:26 PM
#5670
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Hey y'all, I'm starting orientation next Thursday, January 22nd. Couple of quick things:
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
Someone mentioned maybe getting a company parking permit at MSP while we're there - think we could get that on orientation day? I'm bringing my car, and need to park it for the 2 weeks we go back home before class.
What time does the orientation start? Will they send out a confirmation of time? If I haven't heard anything, I'll call them on Monday. And I'm guessing it is at the same building we did the interview in?
Also, I'll likely be there a day or two early, and probably be staying Thursday night after orientation - if anyone else in the class wants to catch up, message me.
Thanks everyone!
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