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Old 01-17-2015 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gohomeleg123
Hi all,

I have an interview next week and I was reviewing some of the gouge questions. Some seem a little tricky/confusing by the way they are worded.

This question popped up..anyone know what the right answer is they are looking for?

10. When you are doing your preflight and your battery voltage reads zero, what is the case?
a. the voltage meter will always read zero when the main buses are unpowered.
b. the battery is dead and needs to be charged.
c. the battery will be charged once the engines start.
d. volts don't matter, it's amperage that is a better indication of a battery's condition.

Thanks for any help! If anyone else has any other advice I'd gladly take it.
The answer is A. On certain older aircraft that have actual round gauges for DC volts and amps, the volts are read off the battery and the amps are read off a DC bus. This of course assumes you have selected the gauges to read the battery and not a TR. The volts will read 0 until you connect the battery to the bus by turning the battery on.

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Old 01-17-2015 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
No, we do not.

Word-for-word from the Compass CBA says we get... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

We will not get 4:00 pay and credit for "every single day away from your base"

Why do you continually lie about this, even when you are shown the exact language?

Go find the language that says we will get 4:00 pay and credit "every single day away from your base" and report back to us.

We have a min DUTY of 4:00 and if we dump the adtg, we get... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"
The LOA does not address that, you have to go in the main body of our contract where we also get paid and credited 4 hrs min for each day with duty.

The scenario where someone could have an awarded schedule with a flight arriving after midnight, would be VERY VERY rare. DL creates the flights, not compass. There are very few flights for compass that are scheduled to block in past midnight, if any. Actual times don't count. It is scheduled times, since we are talking about credit. Credit is established when your schedule is built in pbs.

I am typing on a phone now, so that is why I cannot post the language. If I was in front of my computer I would.
Old 01-17-2015 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
Uh oh, looks like this thread is getting "bombardiered", too
So sick of this guy
Old 01-17-2015 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TallWeeds
I reread it. My bad. Is the argument that on your first day of duty your trip runs into the next calendar day thereby negating any min pay for the second day (since duty time on day 2 occurred), assuming you don't duty on again until the third day? Is this the 8 hour three day you speak of? On average how many trips a month would be affected by this minor technicality?
That is a perfect example. It also happens on the end of the trip. Late flight backs, DH's on Delta. Think of it this way, it happens now, but very few because the adtg creates a cost barrier to have it occur. It currently costs the company 14:15 for potentially 8:00 of work under the other system for a 3 day. Repo a plane to SDF and back in an overnight duty period, 9:30 under the adtg, 4:00 under the other system.

If we dump the adtg, the company can get away with paying us 4:00 for a 2 day and 8:00 for a 3 day. The company builds trips to minimize their soft time. It will be an affect you all should be aware that could happen if we dump the adtg.

That is what I am getting at. Both systems benefit us in different ways, but I just want you all to know that we aren't choosing between 4:00 min DAY or the adtg, we are choosing between "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned" or the adtg.
Old 01-17-2015 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
So sick of this guy
Sick of all you guys lying about what we are deciding between. Pretty sad you all are acting like little children and refuse to read the CBA and LOA on this issue.

Being informed on what we choosing is a good step 1.
Old 01-17-2015 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by typical41
The LOA does not address that, you have to go in the main body of our contract where we also get paid and credited 4 hrs min for each day with duty.

The scenario where someone could have an awarded schedule with a flight arriving after midnight, would be VERY VERY rare. DL creates the flights, not compass. There are very few flights for compass that are scheduled to block in past midnight, if any. Actual times don't count. It is scheduled times, since we are talking about credit. Credit is established when your schedule is built in pbs.

I am typing on a phone now, so that is why I cannot post the language. If I was in front of my computer I would.
At least you now admit that we are not choosing between the adtg and a 4:00 min day.

Ever heard of DH's on Delta or late night repos? Those trips will become much cheaper for the company to create if we dump the adtg.

All I am asking is that you understand we are not choosing between the adtg and 4:00 min day, but "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

The company will always build trips to minimize their soft time.
Old 01-17-2015 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
At least you now admit that we are not choosing between the adtg and a 4:00 min day.

Ever heard of DH's on Delta or late night repos? Those trips will become much cheaper for the company to create if we dump the adtg.

All I am asking is that you understand we are not choosing between the adtg and 4:00 min day, but "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

The company will always build trips to minimize their soft time.
You are referring to something that very rarely happens. The company is not going to be wanting nor trying to build schedules with a bunch of deadhead at the end of the trip. Why? Because that is a day that the crewmember is no longer off, and they need our pilots flying on their working days. So it is a day they get no flying out of the pilot, and even worse for the company, that day is not even one of the pilots off days.

How much emphasis you are placing on this, is absolutely unbelievable. For all practical purposes, our pilots would be paid a min of 4 hours for each working day at compass airlines.

There is a reason the company agreed to adtg, and resisted the pay and credit of 4 hours.....they don't want it, because it is a very hard thing for them to work around and screw the pilots pay and schedules, without completely screwing themselves over for their staffing.With adtg they have much more power to get what they want, at the expense of many of our pilots wallets and credit. ADTG is much easier for the company to manipulate!!!!!!
Old 01-17-2015 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by typical41
You are referring to something that very rarely happens. The company is not going to be wanting nor trying to build schedules with a bunch of deadhead at the end of the trip. Why? Because that is a day that the crewmember is no longer off, and they need our pilots flying on their working days. So it is a day they get no flying out of the pilot, and even worse for the company, that day is not even one of the pilots off days.

How much emphasis you are placing on this, is absolutely unbelievable. For all practical purposes, our pilots would be paid a min of 4 hours for each working day at compass airlines.

There is a reason the company agreed to adtg, and resisted the pay and credit of 4 hours.....they don't want it, because it is a very hard thing for them to work around and screw the pilots pay and schedules, without completely screwing themselves over for their staffing.With adtg they have much more power to get what they want, at the expense of many of our pilots wallets and credit. ADTG is much easier for the company to manipulate!!!!!!
+1...good post...he is coming off as a giant troll
Old 01-17-2015 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
Sick of all you guys lying about what we are deciding between. Pretty sad you all are acting like little children and refuse to read the CBA and LOA on this issue.

Being informed on what we choosing is a good step 1.
Hmm...I was referring to 'bombardier' from the Compass Pilot forum. Are you saying you're him? The attitude seems to be the same....
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Originally Posted by TallWeeds
The answer is A. On certain older aircraft that have actual round gauges for DC volts and amps, the volts are read off the battery and the amps are read off a DC bus. This of course assumes you have selected the gauges to read the battery and not a TR. The volts will read 0 until you connect the battery to the bus by turning the battery on.
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