With your example of a 2 day, what your saying is confusing, are you referencing us DH on redeye's or us flying 2 days where we would be flying into the early morning hours thus covering 2 calendar days? Because if so yes, it can happen, but it is rare, we are talking < than .05% of the pairings...but it does happen

On three days with a 30 hour your saying we would only be paid 8 hours, if we only flew 2 duty periods, again one of which covers 2 calendar days? Again your referring to us doing redeye deadheads or flying early into the morning...

If I'm wrong with what I'm saying, provide examples...

I'm almost positive, I know you from the compasspilot forum and your trying to spread bad juju here, your talking about a very miniscule part of our operation, repo-ing, redeye's, and other flights that are scheduled rarely last minute, usually going to reserve pilots who will not break guarantee, I understand your argument, unlike most people, but the flights we operate 99% of the time, aren't covered in your theory...

Per the union conference call the company is willing to give us the ADTG we currently have or 4 hour min duty day credit plus a credit of 4 hours on 30 hour layovers without a duty period applied to PBS...there are no alternatives, the company has admitted that they dragged there feet because of staffing issues which led to the ADTG, we would have to increase pilot staffing at CZ if we were to ditch ADTG, and in my opinion the more pilots the better...again our management wants ADTG, it benefits them, but not the overwhelming majority of the pilot group...

 

All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

There is no min day credit without the adtg.

You guys are sounding like broken records ignoring the part about "calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

And why don't we screw reserves while we're at it. No point in creating a system that prevents them from getting an 8:00 3 day to cover flying in another base. We currently have a system that gives them 14:15 for that, without the adtg they can go down to 8:00.

 

I called you out on your theory, please provide examples that will cause issues, besides red eyes, repos, and other miscellaneous flying that we do .05% of the time...otherwise go spout your crap elsewhere, don't try and brainwash our pilot group...

 

Coming from another carrier that routinely had 12 hour 4 days that credited 15, I vote we keep the 4:45. Nobody knows how efficient the new aa pairings are going to be.

 

What did u fly their...

 

Drogs03 is right. Don't fall for the propaganda the union and the company are spouting out. The union is saving face, putting lipstick on a pig (not sure why since the mastermind behind it is gone now), and the company is never on your side. Overall, the average daily credit is a bad idea for the majority. The min day credit is a better deal overall. The company will inevitably build pairings that will financial benefit them more but it's harder to do that and properly staff the airline with the 4 hour mind day pay.

If you're new here, don't fall for the union BS or the company telling you it's a better deal. I lost out on 16 hours of PAY in November and 12 hours of pay in October and 12 hours of pay in December due to the average daily credit BS. If we had had 4 hour min day like we negotiated in our contract then I would have that money in my pocket.

 

The last carrier I flew at had 4 hour min day plus PBS credit, the only time it did not benefit me was flying the 50 seater, the routes are shorter so the company can do more with less time essentially, with our route structure and even accounting for the new AA route structure the 4 hour min day would benefit us, keep in mind what you see today as far as schedules could and probably will change, the 170/175 is a great 3 time zone airplane and we fly a lot of routes usually passing through several time zones on 1 leg

 

I'd stop short of calling the information the union put out there propaganda. They're just giving all of the facts, and being transparent. If they didn't do this, and go back to the 4 hours pay&credit, there would be plenty of people complaining about not providing information about both options and making a decision without pilot input. Seems to me they're covering their six.

If they weren't doing exactly that, everyone would be up in arms about them keeping secrets and not involving the line pilots, etc. Relax, read through the info, fill out the survey and at the end, vote whichever way you feel benefits the pilot group, and yourself.

 

Hi all,

I have an interview next week and I was reviewing some of the gouge questions. Some seem a little tricky/confusing by the way they are worded.

This question popped up..anyone know what the right answer is they are looking for?

10. When you are doing your preflight and your battery voltage reads zero, what is the case?
a. the voltage meter will always read zero when the main buses are unpowered.
b. the battery is dead and needs to be charged.
c. the battery will be charged once the engines start.
d. volts don't matter, it's amperage that is a better indication of a battery's condition.

Thanks for any help! If anyone else has any other advice I'd gladly take it.

 

Theory? You just explained exactly how a pilot can get paid 4:00 for a 2 day and 8:00 for a 3 day. With the adtg, the pay would be a minimum of 8:00 and 14:15.

If anyone is trying to brainwash this pilot group, it is you. I am just letting them know that we do not get 4:00 min day pay if we get rid of the adtg (because that is FACT).

All we get for going away from the adtg is... "4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

As long as you guys keep saying we are better off with a non-existent min-day pay option, I will keep correcting you.