Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1852361)

AE flying is up and running. When do we get our AA passes?!

Originally Posted by Rama04 (Post 1852361)

AE flying is up and running. When do we get our AA passes?!

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1833329)

I don't know how far out the classes are right now, but I don't think it's past May. If you get hired, volunteer to take an early class and you may sneak into a March-April class.

150 flow pilots will be removed from the top of the list starting April 1 through November 1, at a pace of 20 a month, which requires 20 line pilots/month added until 150 are added. We need to add 20 line pilots/month starting March 1 for approximately 10 months until we add 200 total for the AA flying. We have probably added 200 out of the 350 required. That number may include those in March.

650 is their end number with non-flying pilots included. We probably are around 650 pilots right now (500 active, rest in training and off line) and need to hire another 150 for the flow and AA growth. You can almost think of it as though we need to grow to 800 to account for the 150 flow pilots leaving. After that, all hiring is for regular attrition, which they are planning on 50/year (probably higher).

To figure out where you will sit, take the current seniority list (650) and add 40/month past March through July and roughly 10/month after that for you to start. Take that number and minus 150 for your November number to account for all the 150 flow pilots departing by November. Divide that by 650 and there is your rough seniority % at the beginning of November. 1-5 non-flow pilots will likely leave monthly, so you can probably account for that too by subtracting 175-200 instead for your November number.

Anyone hired in the next 1-5 months will gain seniority at the behest of the flow pilots leaving and the AA growth. After that, you will gain seniority based on normal attrition, which is increasing. No one hired now can hold captain based on being 50% or higher, but with all those lacking minimums, if you have the minimums, chances are you will hold captain within months of being hired. You will be junior to all those that bypassed once they upgrade though.

Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1833474)

The regular attrition will be higher than TSH plans for. Seems a given with the way they have predicted things. The active list (minus flows) may go as high as 700 to staff the 62 airplanes, but we will have to wait and see for that.

It can't be another 150-200 that need to join the list after March for the flow attrition and AA growth in 2015. It's a safe bet to subtract 40/month for April and each month after (from the 150-200 number) to see if you got on before hiring slows for regular attrition. I wouldn't be surprised to see them need 250 or more for the rest of 2015, but we have to be fairly close to only needing to hire another 150 for the flow attrition and AA growth.

Originally Posted by 560XL (Post 1852944)

Honest opinions, I know the quick upgrade and most of the movement is already happening and will soon be a thing of the past. However, lets say a candidate were to interview this month and take the next available class, can they still expect a considerable amount of movement? Are new hires holding MSP out of training? Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by 560XL (Post 1852977)

Wow thanks for the quick reply and excellent information. I have a fair amount of 121 time but I'm not quite at the 1,000 and am stuck at the bottom of a shrinking regional right now. Looking to make a move, and I think Compass would be a great place to hang my hat for the next few years while I wait on the next step. I keep hearing that MSP is shrinking, has that stopped now with the current bid that just came out or is that continuing to be the trend? I'm originally from Minnesota and would like to get back there.

Again thanks for taking the time.

Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1853042)

My bet, early summer guys will be holding LAX CA while still in training.