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04-15-2015 | 06:18 AM
#6683
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From: Just another RJ guy
Except that you are getting PIC typed so you have to do certain events in both seats. Gotta know flow, profiles and do things like rejected takeoffs, landings, etc in the left seat.
04-15-2015 | 02:02 PM
#6684
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Funny, I got a PIC type at XJT with no time in the left seat and no knowledge of left seat flows. We did have to disconnect the steering with the trigger and sling the nose around with differential braking to say we could taxi.
04-15-2015 | 06:08 PM
#6685
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Who cares what they do at XJT? He's telling you that Compass requires you to know flows, procedures and callouts from both seats.
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04-15-2015 | 06:16 PM
#6686
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From: Just another RJ guy
Funny how we're talking about Compass. Not XJT. No one cares or asked about XJT. Move on. Procedures are different here captain obvious.
04-15-2015 | 08:04 PM
#6687
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I'll learn whatever and do whatever procedures that the company that's paying to fly their planes want me to do.
04-15-2015 | 09:18 PM
#6688
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From: Supreme Allied Commander
Ya I know. I just thought it was kinda funny that they said that the requirement to learn left and right seat was based off the PIC type. Either it's not or the ATL FSDO didn't care.
I'll learn whatever and do whatever procedures that the company that's paying to fly their planes want me to do.
I'll learn whatever and do whatever procedures that the company that's paying to fly their planes want me to do.
Since I'm required to go through the approved upgrade training program to act as PIC , I don't see the need to be evaluated on specific CA flows/call outs/tasks on the initial "FO" ride for a generic PIC type rating. If somebody leaves before upgrading and wishes to act as PIC on a E170 the flows duties and call-outs will be different. That said, I liked learning both duties as it gave me a good cumulative picture of how to manage and operate a flight. And with new captain awards projected to be very junior, it's good stuff to know from the start.
04-16-2015 | 07:19 AM
#6689
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From: CRJ FO
Alaska you are wrong
Everybody is happy to jump on the "move on" bandwagon. I believe he was just making a statement how it was at XJT. You should be more welcoming of people posting their thoughts... After all, it is a web board.
In any event, as an FO in initial, you are NOT required to know the CA flows. You do however need to be able to work through them. You are NOT evaluated on CA flows but, knowing them will make the SIMs faster.
In any event, as an FO in initial, you are NOT required to know the CA flows. You do however need to be able to work through them. You are NOT evaluated on CA flows but, knowing them will make the SIMs faster.
04-16-2015 | 09:39 AM
#6690
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From: SFO Guppy CA
Compass has been doing this since they started. I don't believe that at XJT, they gave you a PIC type as part of a contractual obligation. Also, this is stemming from the FAA audit and wholesale changes that were made in 2010-2011. Stop whining and just cooperate to graduate!
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