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Old 06-09-2015 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by barabek


I would not count on changing to electronic Jepps. From what I've heard from a reliable source, the LIDO product is here to stay. Simply the price Jeppesen quoted was so much higher that we'll never see them. Compass apparently has a designated LIDO person now who's here to "ease" the transition, the FAA approval, and correct the mistakes. I also heard that the final approval is nowhere in sight, meaning - get used to the fact that we will be carrying the flight cases for a while. Honestly, I don't care what we use, I just wanna stop carrying this stupid flight case that I haven't opened for months, except to do the manual revision every 2 weeks! I actually got used to the LIDOs already. (Not a big deal, the same info in a different form.) I just hope there isn't a group of pilots who try to "sabotage" the LIDOs by submitting countless crew reports hoping that TransStates will at the end give up and give us Jepps. That's not gonna happen in my opinion, just prolong already endless certification process.
While I don't file crew reports in an attempt to derail the process, I do file them when I see an issue. I hope you do the same. There are issues that they need fix. I just hope you do not refrain from filing a report to just get rid of your flight bag quicker.

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Old 06-09-2015 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus
I heard from a LCA in LAX that LIDO was 500% cheaper than Jepps and we all know TSH loves to save a dollar. I'm pretty used to the LIDO now. Just wish somethings like speed restrictions at a fix were in bold print and put a single departure per page.

Um. No. The Jepp quote was $1.2 mil and Lidos are $300k for a year. 4 times.


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Old 06-09-2015 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus
I heard from a LCA in LAX that LIDO was 500% cheaper than Jepps and we all know TSH loves to save a dollar. I'm pretty used to the LIDO now. Just wish somethings like speed restrictions at a fix were in bold print and put a single departure per page.
I'd keep a close eye on that Check Airman. He's not good at the arithmetic.

100% discount (cheaper) of any number is zero. You can't do any better than that.

Now back to watching 404xyz in the Delta TA threads. He's actually making some sense over there!
Old 06-10-2015 | 08:32 AM
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I heard Lido was free for CZ with the purchase of lufthansa scheduling/flight planning software... So yeah, 100% cheaper sounds about right. Kinda like we are the launch customer/ginuea pig of Lido charts.

There are things I love about lido, just too many weird things Im not a huge fan of but will get used to over time. Once the few errors are fixed, im sure I will be as happy with them as I am Jepp.
Old 06-10-2015 | 09:17 AM
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The LIDOs are not that big of a deal. It takes some getting used to, but it's better than carrying jepps. I prefer to concentrate on upgrading so I can gtfo than worry about LIDO charts.
Old 06-10-2015 | 10:24 AM
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Would I prefer the Jepp product, yes. Why? It's the worldwide industry standard (for good reason) period. However, I used the Lido products exclusively while in training and took to them quickly. Full disclosure: I'm a military guy so my experience with Jepp products was VERY limited.

Frankly, I prefer the presentation of the Lidos over the Jepps, especially the LVC for ground ops. What I don't like, for example, is having to review the SIDPT on a separate page than the SID itself. I also wish, as others have noted, that important things like speed restrictions on STARS were more prominent. I've found if I look I can find everything I need. Spelling errors aside, has anyone actually found the charts to be in error with what's in our navigational database (which I believe is a Jepp product)?

I've learned the hard way that you must read those imbedded, albeit small, notes on the charts. I can't recall finding something that violated our OpsSpec...just had to dig for the truth. Example, published RVR for an approach is 1000, but our OpsSpec requires 1200. There was a note...and I missed it the first time, but it's there. Training, right?

Moving forward as we (CPZ) integrate the Lido products, I plan to "trust, but verify" just like I did in the military. If you think Lidos are terrible, ask any Air Force pilot how many regs we have to consult before finding the "gospel" answer to our question.
Old 06-10-2015 | 01:47 PM
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My biggest issue with Lidos has been the app. Has been very buggy for me.
Old 06-10-2015 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by max gross
My biggest issue with Lidos has been the app. Has been very buggy for me.
Coming from Jepp FD on a 1 year old 4th generation iPad to Lido on new iPad Airs has been nothing but good. Jepp FD app is way way buggier and sluggish, in my experience.
Old 06-11-2015 | 04:54 PM
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32 more upgrades! Wow!
Old 06-11-2015 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by middies10
32 more upgrades! Wow!
Wait until the award comes out! WOW when March 2015 hires show up on the award! The alternates for the last award already crossed into 2015.
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