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minimwage4 09-01-2010 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 864140)
Virtually every pilot at Compass came from another airline where they had to fly airplanes. Fifteen minutes in a B727 sim, while fun, doesn't indicate one's ability to perform the job well. "Flying" is a necessary part of the job, but hardly the most important once a minimum competency level is reached.

LOL I disagree with that completely. Unless what you are assuming is correct that every Compass new hire came from advanced experience. At other places, especially at the regional level, flying ability should be tested and often it's the most important part of the interview. Part of the reason why there were so many failures and low quality pilots at the regionals being babysat by their CAs the last several years was because interviewers were mass hiring without properly gauging their abilities.

superuomo32 09-01-2010 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 864531)
LOL I disagree with that completely. Unless what you are assuming is correct that every Compass new hire came from advanced experience. At other places, especially at the regional level, flying ability should be tested and often it's the most important part of the interview. Part of the reason why there were so many failures and low quality pilots at the regionals being babysat by their CAs the last several years was because interviewers were mass hiring without properly gauging their abilities.

I agree with you on this. It depends on the job and the required qualifications to be eligible for that particular job. Many regionals that hire low time pilots even with a wet commercial (like back in '07), the sim can be a valuable test of actual flying skills and working under pressure. However, with jobs that require a substantial amount time to be eligible, I think that the interview skills and personality of the applicant are more important.

Compass is on the cusp. But I think with the high time required for the job currently, the sim is not necessary. If they were to lower their minimums sometime in the future, then maybe they should dust off the 727 sim.

XtremeF150 09-01-2010 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by superuomo32 (Post 864534)
I agree with you on this. It depends on the job and the required qualifications to be eligible for that particular job. Many regionals that hire low time pilots even with a wet commercial (like back in '07), the sim can be a valuable test of actual flying skills and working under pressure. However, with jobs that require a substantial amount time to be eligible, I think that the interview skills and personality of the applicant are more important.

Compass is on the cusp. But I think with the high time required for the job currently, the sim is not necessary. If they were to lower their minimums sometime in the future, then maybe they should dust off the 727 sim.

I think I heard someone say the 727 sim isn't even there anymore. Oh well I guess you could make them fly the sim they will train in...better idea if you ask me :)

atpcliff 09-02-2010 11:43 AM

DAL does not do a sim check....LOTS of companies do not do a sim check. DAL does a CBT to test for the candidates ability to make it through their training program.

Columbia 09-03-2010 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 864933)
DAL does not do a sim check....LOTS of companies do not do a sim check. DAL does a CBT to test for the candidates ability to make it through their training program.

I don't think the computer tests measures ones ability to make it through the training.

Oberon 09-03-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 864531)
LOL I disagree with that completely. Unless what you are assuming is correct that every Compass new hire came from advanced experience. At other places, especially at the regional level, flying ability should be tested and often it's the most important part of the interview. Part of the reason why there were so many failures and low quality pilots at the regionals being babysat by their CAs the last several years was because interviewers were mass hiring without properly gauging their abilities.

Right now there are no low time pilots at Compass and the people that are being interviewed have past airline experience or equivalent. While there are certainly situations where a simulator might be beneficial, I don't think it's necessary right now at Compass.

contrails 09-03-2010 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 865265)
Right now there are no low time pilots at Compass and the people that are being interviewed have past airline experience or equivalent. While there are certainly situations where a simulator might be beneficial, I don't think it's necessary right now at Compass.

"Well we're real happy we invited you out to interview. We like your credentials here...you've successfully trained and worked at Ameriflight, Sun Country, ATA, and NetJets. Now we'd just like to have you do some steep turns and hold entries in our 727 sim..."

HalinTexas 09-03-2010 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 865268)
"Well we're real happy we invited you out to interview. We like your credentials here...you've successfully trained and worked at Ameriflight, Sun Country, ATA, and NetJets. Now we'd just like to have you do some steep turns and hold entries in our 727 sim..."

"Can you afford to live on FO pay rates?"

Me: "I'm making more on California unemployment than what you're paying newhires."

AtlCSIP 09-03-2010 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 865268)
"Well we're real happy we invited you out to interview. We like your credentials here...you've successfully trained and worked at Ameriflight, Sun Country, ATA, and NetJets. Now we'd just like to have you do some steep turns and hold entries in our 727 sim..."

When I spoke to the Chief Pilot at AirTran, he basically said the same thing. At this level, they already know you can fly. What they really want to know is if you can fit with the corporate culture, and whether or not a 4 day trip with you would be miserable! Maybe Compass is taking a similar approach.

Gajre539 09-03-2010 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 665927)
Does Compass still require 1000 multi? I keep getting conflicting information. Their website says 1000 but some papers at a job fair I was at said only 500. Even the CP their said 500 was good. But the website and application ask if you have over 1000.

They used to require 1000 ME, now they require 1500TT, 500 ME and other hours to be able get an ATP, if you don't have one.


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