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Old 05-08-2018 | 06:27 AM
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Man I missed the fly-slow conversation.

Flew with a LAX CA that flew all the long legs slow on AA flights, normally Around .70. His reasoning:
- we’re going to be 35 minutes early at .78, they won’t have a gate for us at LAX. So why arrive early and sit around with unhappy passengers?

- logging more flight time

- keeping historical block times longer

Honestly sounded great to me.

Of course in Seattle we fly at .80 because every single inbound aircraft is always 25 minutes late
Old 05-08-2018 | 06:34 AM
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What’s our ALPAs address, anyone know?
Old 05-08-2018 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Man I missed the fly-slow conversation.

Flew with a LAX CA that flew all the long legs slow on AA flights, normally Around .70. His reasoning:
- we’re going to be 35 minutes early at .78, they won’t have a gate for us at LAX. So why arrive early and sit around with unhappy passengers?

- logging more flight time

- keeping historical block times longer

Honestly sounded great to me.

Of course in Seattle we fly at .80 because every single inbound aircraft is always 25 minutes late
I've heard similar reasons when I was an FO by 1 or 2 guys. I look at it this way.

1. If we're early and there is a gate, boom win-win, were heroes and I get to brag to the pax that it was because of the FOs superior navigation skills.

2. If we're early and there is no gate, then we will get there as soon as one opens. We are better positioned to control the clock being on the ground close to the ally rather than trying to 'time it' in the air. Plus everyone gets to use their cell phones and we get to judge skywest landings and laugh some more while logging our flight time. It's a win-wn, pax get the gate asap, and we get flight time still, but just hanging out pillaging snack baskets. Just make sure to tell the pax that we flew too fast and got their too early but we'll still be on time or early after hanging out. Still heroes.

3. If we're early and we are late to the gate because of a a/c delay, well, wouldn't have mattered anyway. We dont usually have this scenario as much anymore now that delta moved to the north side. You are still better positioned to take the first opening.

The art of being a captain is controlling the impressions people have of what's going on... and being a good blame shifter lol.
Old 05-08-2018 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I've heard similar reasons when I was an FO by 1 or 2 guys. I look at it this way.

1. If we're early and there is a gate, boom win-win, were heroes and I get to brag to the pax that it was because of the FOs superior navigation skills.

2. If we're early and there is no gate, then we will get there as soon as one opens. We are better positioned to control the clock being on the ground close to the ally rather than trying to 'time it' in the air. Plus everyone gets to use their cell phones and we get to judge skywest landings and laugh some more while logging our flight time. It's a win-wn, pax get the gate asap, and we get flight time still, but just hanging out pillaging snack baskets. Just make sure to tell the pax that we flew too fast and got their too early but we'll still be on time or early after hanging out. Still heroes.

3. If we're early and we are late to the gate because of a a/c delay, well, wouldn't have mattered anyway. We dont usually have this scenario as much anymore now that delta moved to the north side. You are still better positioned to take the first opening.

The art of being a captain is controlling the impressions people have of what's going on... and being a good blame shifter lol.
This. You and I are kindred spirits, BobbyLee!
Old 05-08-2018 | 10:08 AM
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Hey all, is part 91 flying on the side allowed? If prior approval is required is it usually approved?
Old 05-08-2018 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger
Hey all, is part 91 flying on the side allowed? If prior approval is required is it usually approved?
You'd have to ask chief first and I'd guess he'll side with caution and say no because some 91 flying falls into 117 still.
Old 05-08-2018 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger
Hey all, is part 91 flying on the side allowed? If prior approval is required is it usually approved?
Are you going to burn holes in the sky in a 172? Just go for it. Are you going to do some crazy pyramid scheme business flying under 91, yeah might need to get that one approved.
Old 05-08-2018 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
Are you going to burn holes in the sky in a 172? Just go for it. Are you going to do some crazy pyramid scheme business flying under 91, yeah might need to get that one approved.
Yeah 121 is already a pyramid scheme, so we can't be involved in two of them.
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
Yeah 121 is already a pyramid scheme, so we can't be involved in two of them.
So true! “Just get 5 of your friends to sign up and you get 10k” 🤔
Old 05-08-2018 | 10:44 AM
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Part 91 compensated, not a lot of block time.

117.23 gives limitations, but says:

"The limitations of this section include all flying by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager during the applicable periods."

I realize that flying for pay is "commercial flying", but part 117 doesn't use that phrase anywhere. So does 117 only limit flying for carriers subject to part 117?

Time to break out the legal interpretations, I'm sure there's something in there that clarifies.

Originally Posted by VIRotate
Are you going to burn holes in the sky in a 172? Just go for it. Are you going to do some crazy pyramid scheme business flying under 91, yeah might need to get that one approved.
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