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03-12-2016, 10:39 AM

#181

waker92

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I heard compass is upgrading 24 a month? If this is in fact true, would you agree that a new hire would be sitting at around a 2.5 year upgrade?
what are your thoughts?

03-12-2016, 10:41 AM

#182

TillerEnvy

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Sigh. Some just don't get it.

03-12-2016, 10:42 AM

#183

TillerEnvy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waker92

I heard compass is upgrading 24 a month? If this is in fact true, would you agree that a new hire would be sitting at around a 2.5 year upgrade?
what are your thoughts?

Nobody can answer that with much of a guarantee. Things could change in a few months for better or worse. I'd say 2-4 years is a fairly safe estimate.

03-12-2016, 10:50 AM

#184

middies10

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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy

Nobody can answer that with much of a guarantee. Things could change in a few months for better or worse. I'd say 2-4 years is a fairly safe estimate.

That's a very safe estimate. 24/month is nearly 300 a year. That's almost half our seniority list. I'd say if it remains true that'd you'd probably upgrade in just under 1.5 years.

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03-12-2016, 10:51 AM

#185

EuroMexPilot

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Originally Posted by ACessential

Be my guest and pass on critical pay for now. My point is coming on an online message board and going on a no pickup tirade isn't going to do jack ****. If we were in 5 years contract negotiations or furloughing pilots I'd be with you

Okay, let's not discuss anythjng of substance on this public forum. Let's go back to who's upgrade is faster.
And I guess you didn't hear about us getting comuter hotels, 4 hour min day (no longer "free from duty") and FO pay increases outside our 5 year contract negotiations.

03-12-2016, 11:32 AM

#186

AvCrewBlue

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I was browsing around and didn't find any open time rates for Compass. Anyone work there have the current on that? Appreciate it.

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03-12-2016, 11:42 AM

#187

JetDoc

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Originally Posted by Fpmx772

Is GoJet still going through all their shenanigans with the Lufthansa system?

I hear things have calmed down a bit. The first couple of weeks were terrible. I expect the same here.

03-12-2016, 12:14 PM

#188

conquestdz

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Originally Posted by EuroMexPilot

So, did you still pick it up at 150%?

If so, why would they give 200?

You have to be willing to tell them no if they won't pay 200%. If enough do that, they'll find a way to pay 200%.

But guys here are tripping over themselves for 150% still! Stop it!!

The only way for them to pay 200% without a grievance filed is to get a LOA with our union. Gojet has provisions for higher than 150% in their contract. We don't. If we want to give them the incentive to not staff properly, and not upgrade sufficiently, then we had better at least negotiate to get something we want for the group in return. Whatever we ask for had better be really great to justify allowing them to stagnate everyone's upgrades and subsequently careers.

03-12-2016, 03:32 PM

#189

flyguy94

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Originally Posted by conquestdz

They have given 200%. If we can get it negotiated - anytime 200% is offered it should trigger junior man to be paid at 200%. That way they don't prefer JM over critical pay.

03-12-2016, 05:58 PM

#190

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Originally Posted by flyguy94

They have given 200%. If we can get it negotiated - anytime 200% is offered it should trigger junior man to be paid at 200%. That way they don't prefer JM over critical pay.

I have no doubt that they have bent the CBA to keep the planes moving. I don't think the trade you mentioned is nearly enough though. This would give the company a tremendous incentive to staff for the lean months and critical pay through the busy ones...harming the career progression and quality of life of of all of us in the process. As counter intuitive as it sounds I would reccomend not trying to negotiate for 200% when you pick up open time. Doing so weakens the unions position if they ever do decide to negotiate for something in exchange for 200%. Why would the company ever give up anything for the opportunity to staff and upgrade less if they are already getting it for free? Show a little unity and respect for your peers and pass on the quick buck for the greater prize In the end.