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flyingak 04-29-2017 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by veewan (Post 2353750)
We're getting F-35s and A-10s. CAP lost the bid on the A-10. And we're going to destroy our competition. They'll be blown away by our 30mm rotatry cannon. Delta will bring back flow since we'll be military guys. :cool:



Top that rumor



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NeverFlexTO 04-30-2017 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Work2much (Post 2353645)
Why not? It would benefit both airlines. Hawaiian doesn't hire a bunch so it wouldn't be a burden on us. Yet it would be guaranteed movement off the top (expensive captains) and a recruiting tool for hiring. It's a win win. Wait for it....

First off if you think the top of the list would go to Hawaiian your sorely mistaken...the mix of ATA guys who are older and other senior pilots who are on there second or third regional will more than likely stay put until either they retire or get picked up by a legacy, that is a fact. Most of your senior pilots don't live on the coast and are based in MSP (they'll go to Sun Country), or have a good QOL and don't want to A commute and B take massive pay cut to fly a widebody at a excessively low industry rate for that category of airplane.

Your expensive quote of the senior captains isn't relevant either, especially if compared to other regional airline pilot groups. Our average seniority on the captain side is probably sitting around 2.5-3 years...which I'm willing to bet is one of the lowest in the US regional airline industry.

This would benefit your mid-junior captains and FO's, who all live on the west coast. I bet you would be surprised at how many senior pilots would bypass the flow if it was instituted...

I think it would help but only if you were a new pilot who wanted to work at Hawaiian...otherwise go to 9E, Envoy, or somewhere else and get guaranteed money and a shot at a legacy in the same amount of time...

Work2much 04-30-2017 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO (Post 2353864)
First off if you think the top of the list would go to Hawaiian your sorely mistaken...the mix of ATA guys who are older and other senior pilots who are on there second or third regional will more than likely stay put until either they retire or get picked up by a legacy, that is a fact. Most of your senior pilots don't live on the coast and are based in MSP (they'll go to Sun Country), or have a good QOL and don't want to A commute and B take massive pay cut to fly a widebody at a excessively low industry rate for that category of airplane.

Your expensive quote of the senior captains isn't relevant either, especially if compared to other regional airline pilot groups. Our average seniority on the captain side is probably sitting around 2.5-3 years...which I'm willing to bet is one of the lowest in the US regional airline industry.

This would benefit your mid-junior captains and FO's, who all live on the west coast. I bet you would be surprised at how many senior pilots would bypass the flow if it was instituted...

I think it would help but only if you were a new pilot who wanted to work at Hawaiian...otherwise go to 9E, Envoy, or somewhere else and get guaranteed money and a shot at a legacy in the same amount of time...

Whoa there Paco... I didn't know I had to break down the obvious for you. Of course the ATA guys won't go. I thought that was an obvious given. When I said senior captains I didn't mean senior in relation to the rest of the regional industry. I meant senior relative to Compass airlines. So yeah the most senior captains whether they're 3 or 10 years are still among the most expensive employees. I assume any kind of flow agreement wouldn't include any FOs. Usually you have to be a captain for a certain amount of time so no FOs would leave in the flow. Again, another given. If you think someone would lateral step over to 9E over a guaranteed flow to fly an A330 you're crazzazzy.

Quest 04-30-2017 07:35 AM

Training is supposed to reflect as projected credit for the month, right? The RSV grid for tomorrow is showing I have 0 projected hours but I have 6-month in mid-may, and I think something was assigned to me out of order because of it.

Nightman 04-30-2017 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Quest (Post 2353901)
Training is supposed to reflect as projected credit for the month, right? The RSV grid for tomorrow is showing I have 0 projected hours but I have 6-month in mid-may, and I think something was assigned to me out of order because of it.

Yes it should be reflected in a projected credit.

BlueMoon 04-30-2017 08:32 AM

Are there like 3 or 4 ATA guys even left? Most left in the flow to big D.

NeverFlexTO 04-30-2017 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Work2much (Post 2353900)
Whoa there Paco... I didn't know I had to break down the obvious for you. Of course the ATA guys won't go. I thought that was an obvious given. When I said senior captains I didn't mean senior in relation to the rest of the regional industry. I meant senior relative to Compass airlines. So yeah the most senior captains whether they're 3 or 10 years are still among the most expensive employees. I assume any kind of flow agreement wouldn't include any FOs. Usually you have to be a captain for a certain amount of time so no FOs would leave in the flow. Again, another given. If you think someone would lateral step over to 9E over a guaranteed flow to fly an A330 you're crazzazzy.

You'd make more first year at 9E than Hawaiian, not to mention the cost of living in Hawaii...so potentially...not everyone cares about a shiny brand new A330, some people actually like making a decent income and having a halfway decent QOL

flyingak 04-30-2017 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Quest (Post 2353901)
Training is supposed to reflect as projected credit for the month, right? The RSV grid for tomorrow is showing I have 0 projected hours but I have 6-month in mid-may, and I think something was assigned to me out of order because of it.



The grid for tomorrow is jacked up, everybody is showing zero....


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Quest 04-30-2017 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by flyingak (Post 2354029)
The grid for tomorrow is jacked up, everybody is showing zero....


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Tomorrow is the first day of a new month, so that makes sense, but I thought that even at the start of a new month if you have training that you should start the month with that amount of credit on the reserve grid.

flyingak 04-30-2017 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Quest (Post 2354053)
Tomorrow is the first day of a new month, so that makes sense, but I thought that even at the start of a new month if you have training that you should start the month with that amount of credit on the reserve grid.



Ha!! You're right, I completely had no idea what day of the month it was, lol [emoji17]


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