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Old 08-03-2017 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
my friend's sister's cousin was in a meeting today in MSP and there was paperwork that said "Hawaiian Flowthrough"
Hey I think I know your friend's sister's cousin. I still stand by my claim I'll eat my sock if get a hn flow.
Old 08-03-2017 | 02:54 PM
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Hey I think I know your friend's sister's cousin. I still stand by my claim I'll eat my sock if get a hn flow.
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Old 08-03-2017 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by poorflyer
Which is disappointing there wasn't anything said to show we are trying to increase recruiting other than MW keep telling us to ***** out our CFI friends to come to compass so we can get a 1500 bonus. We need more pay, a new base, much higher upgrades, or a flow program, or a combination of all. Also we need somehow to show new hires that we have a stable and certain future. The company really dropped the ball by stopping hiring and putting the whole industry microscope under us so now these cfis know we only have 2 bases, high reserve, low upgrade, base closures, lose of planes, mid pay, and now junior manning. Why the **** would they come here.
That's another thing I hate about the company. They don't seem very good at recruiting. Have you seen our website? It looks like something from the year 2000. Route map is from that great circle mapper website. Our info on this page is not up to date nor does it show things that *might* be attractive to some people ie commuter hotels/policy, actual pilots on property, etc. But nope instead "Wifi in all aircraft"...oh I guess that's good on those DFW flights. Got my T-mobile number so I can mess around on the internet in cruise, I'm going to Compass! Seriously a joke. We need to step it up if we want to fill classes so we can upgrade more thus bring upgrade time down. Oh yeah and better pay would help significantly. PHX would really do nothing for me as I'm an East coast commuter, but I know it will attract some people so I'm inclined to hope for it. Rant over, I'm just extremely disappointed with this call. Only good thing that came out of it is no FAs asked for an SNA base...
Old 08-03-2017 | 03:03 PM
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I've heard bad things about our recruiting website and I don't even want to look. Makes you wonder what our recruiters are doing. They have a hard job already trying to spin all this into a positive, but if they can't gather together enough to fix a few errors on a website I don't know how they'll get 40 people per month to a training facility at a closed base.
Old 08-03-2017 | 03:49 PM
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I also disagree! if you take into account all the awards that have been release to this point, through October, a mid Dec '15 hire would have about 90 FO's ahead of them to upgrade. Assuming conservatively only 20 bypass upgrade, and no FO's leave ahead of you (unlikely) that leaves 70. At 10 upgrades a month they will upgrade in may '18 (2 years 5 months). If they increase to 18 per month thats a Feb '18 upgrade (2 years 2 months) and I think those are fairly conservative numbers. In reality they should probably be doing 20+ upgrades a month to keep from falling further behind, 20+ CA critical trips in the last 4 days!
So after todays call I feel like a revision is needed to my post from the other day...

At 9 upgrades a month a Dec '15 hire is looking at a May '18 upgrade thats 2 years 5 months. With 6 upgrades a month that same newhire is probably looking at something like a September '18 upgrade which is 2 years 9 months.

its really a catch 22, we have to slow upgrades because we can't attracted enough FO's, but by increasing upgrades times we are making it even harder to get newhires in the door. Its really a no win situation and like several people have already said, until the company steps in and sweetens the pot for potential newhires things will only continue to go down hill.
Old 08-03-2017 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by poorflyer
I've heard bad things about our recruiting website and I don't even want to look. Makes you wonder what our recruiters are doing. They have a hard job already trying to spin all this into a positive, but if they can't gather together enough to fix a few errors on a website I don't know how they'll get 40 people per month to a training facility at a closed base.
Most of the recruiters are project pilots. The website is controlled by TSH and by one person. Compass isn't the biggest worry of TSH. Hopefully a growth of SEA will bring more qualified pilots.
Old 08-03-2017 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
So after todays call I feel like a revision is needed to my post from the other day...

At 9 upgrades a month a Dec '15 hire is looking at a May '18 upgrade thats 2 years 5 months. With 6 upgrades a month that same newhire is probably looking at something like a September '18 upgrade which is 2 years 9 months.

its really a catch 22, we have to slow upgrades because we can't attracted enough FO's, but by increasing upgrades times we are making it even harder to get newhires in the door. Its really a no win situation and like several people have already said, until the company steps in and sweetens the pot for potential newhires things will only continue to go down hill.
Well as a pilot group we should wake up and realize they are offering the sister companies $$$. If you can afford to pay $93k to direct entry CA at GoJet why can't you offer more money at Compass?

Yeah I get that TSH is trying every effort to save money, but it would have been cheaper to just keep hiring and upgrading than it's going to be to remedy the current situation.
Old 08-03-2017 | 04:58 PM
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IMHO You have absolutely no right to complain about "can't attract new talent" if you spend your overnights posting things like "this is awful. horrible upgrade time,long reserve, I hate management, this is backwards why would anyone come here?" Guys. Every single prospective new hire to submit a resume to CPZ will come here and read these first. At my CFI job the guys approaching their hours were checking APF every single night. You are having a direct and sizable impact on the class size and no matter what recruiting does it's pointless if you choose to say horrible things about Compass on a puuublic forum.

Getting hired here right before they closed the door in spring was awful. I'm in an awful position and I am feeling the affects. However, all the bad stuff affecting me won't really be felt by any new hires. There will be many new hires following you, the company isn't going to shrink, the reserve time won't be too long (like it is for late 2016 hires), and by the time you hit IOE you'll probably have 40+ guys below you on the list. I'd still rather be here flying the only regional all E175 fleet and living in a decent city rather than pushing a 30 year old CRJ200 out of LaGuardia for a shiny signing bonus.my last flight was 1,200nm. I've seen New York City and LA in my first 100 hours . How many regional guys can say that? Besides, the attrition here is arguably better than any other regional in the US given our size.

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Old 08-03-2017 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by week
IMHO You have absolutely no right to complain about "can't attract new talent" if you spend your overnights posting things like "this is awful. horrible upgrade time,long reserve, I hate management, this is backwards why would anyone come here?" Guys. Every single prospective new hire to submit a resume to CPZ will come here and read these first. At my CFI job the guys approaching their hours were checking APF every single night. You are having a direct and sizable impact on the class size and no matter what recruiting does it's pointless if you choose to say horrible things about Compass on a puuublic forum.

Getting hired here right before they closed the door in spring was awful. I'm in an awful position and I am feeling the affects. However, all the bad stuff affecting me won't really be felt by any new hires. There will be many new hires following you, the company isn't going to shrink, the reserve time won't be too long (like it is for late 2016 hires), and by the time you hit IOE you'll probably have 40+ guys below you on the list. I'd still rather be here flying the only regional all E175 fleet and living in a decent city rather than pushing a 30 year old CRJ200 out of LaGuardia for a shiny signing bonus.my last flight was 1,200nm. I've seen New York City and LA in my first 100 hours . How many regional guys can say that? Besides, the attrition here is arguably better than any other regional in the US given our size.
Perfect, just lie your A$$ off to pad your seniority.
Old 08-03-2017 | 05:42 PM
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Ya I'm not gonna change my point of view on a forum so I don't hurt the dreams of a 22 year old cfi. Facts are facts, money pays bull **** walks. I love the people I work with, my seniority, and my schedule. However regionals suck, and the only reason they ever change is when they can't fill classes. So when we have trouble filling classes and we get nothing it's frustrating and this is my release. I'd rather say it hear than to bring it home, or god help my crew, compain for 3 hours from LAX to DFW in the cockpit.
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