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Old 09-04-2017 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
100% agree how is it fair that a brand new FO will make about $15,000 more this year than an FO that has been at the company for almost 3 years?
Glad you guys finally got a bonus. Here is a tip: be happy for the new hires who have a liveable wage. Don't bust their balls because they timed it right and got lucky. You are senior to them and will get to a major first and make that money up and more. Be happy you will be able to hire people and have upgrades.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:09 PM
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Hasn't every other airline been doing this for years? And how is it so bad that new guys who sit the most reserve with the least days off and the worst schedules makes a little extra? Again, almost every other regional has been doing this for years. Saying "it's not fair we want more too" seems funny

Sure it would be nice if we got massive payscale increases but this is a regional airline
"but mom everyone else is jumping off a bridge" thats basically the argument you're making. Why shouldn't we be trying to raise the bar and make things better for everyone?

Making the statement "but this is a regional airline" is exactly what has gotten this industry to where it is today, two groups of people with the same skills sets doing the same job for massively different pay!
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Glad you guys finally got a bonus. Here is a tip: be happy for the new hires who have a liveable wage. Don't bust their balls because they timed it right and got lucky. You are senior to them and will get to a major first and make that money up and more. Be happy you will be able to hire people and have upgrades.
I'm not hating on the new hires, in fact I AM happy that the bottom is coming up and the wages are more livable. I remember how hard it was getting by for that first year, it wasn't that long ago. I'm just sick of the company picking and choosing when they want to play by the rules and stick to the CBA.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
I'm not hating on the new hires, in fact I AM happy that the bottom is coming up and the wages are more livable. I remember how hard it was getting by for that first year, it wasn't that long ago. I'm just sick of the company picking and choosing when they want to play by the rules and stick to the CBA.
I agree completely with this. It's frustrating to see the amount of lambasting we receive from management when we step out of line, but there is zero ramification or accountability on their part.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:27 PM
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Heard republic is buying you guys?


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Old 09-04-2017 | 01:29 PM
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Heard republic is buying you guys?


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And I got drafted by the Yankees!
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
I'm not hating on the new hires, in fact I AM happy that the bottom is coming up and the wages are more livable. I remember how hard it was getting by for that first year, it wasn't that long ago. I'm just sick of the company picking and choosing when they want to play by the rules and stick to the CBA.
I'm certainly not mad at new hires either. The problem is we don't just need new butts in the flight deck, we need to also KEEP older butts there. We've got people from all strata of the list bailing for ulccs and other regionals. A new hire bonus doesn't address that. I know CP is just a stepping stone airline but there still needs to be some return on investment.

And I'll also throw my name in the ring as one of those ****ed off New hires will make less than 10 bucks an hour more than me. So what if they are on reserve? So am I, and I'd be willing to bet a reserve captain is going to work a bit harder than a reserve fo. Frankly, it tells me the company doesn't care about us, the people who have made this airline work for the last few years, as much as an off the street hire. That's my issue.

I certainly don't take it out on the new guys getting a bonus. Good for them! I'd cash that check gladly... As should they.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by week
Hasn't every other airline been doing this for years? And how is it so bad that new guys who sit the most reserve with the least days off and the worst schedules makes a little extra? Again, almost every other regional has been doing this for years. Saying "it's not fair we want more too" seems funny

Sure it would be nice if we got massive payscale increases but this is a regional airline
No hiring bonus at OO, yet we are somehow still filling classes.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 170driver
Heard republic is buying you guys?


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I've also heard Envoy is getting our airplanes at the end of the year. We all that's crap, too.
Old 09-04-2017 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 170driver
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If I was a 21 year old RATP CFI who just finished my first IOE at Republic, I'd be spreading the same rumor. Just because we fly similar jets doesnt mean there's any connection. Besides didn't Republic just emerge from bankruptcy?
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