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Old 09-28-2017 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
Explain how CA/CA reduces upgrades.


Seriously? @$763?8;$3!!!!! How many times do we have to explain this?


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Old 09-28-2017 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
Explain how CA/CA reduces upgrades.
If anything it increases upgrades

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Old 09-28-2017 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by miker1
If anything it increases upgrades

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False. You guys would make great Compass management.....


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Old 09-28-2017 | 08:37 AM
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Throwing my alternate theory hat on:

1. Company's Blatant Disregard for the Contract: remember that our employer is first and foremost a business. Two things they care about, profit and sustainability. They are going to do whatever they think is necessary at the time, then will worry about potential consequences (grievances, arbitration, etc), at a later date. Seems to have been their MO lately. Remember, as Uncle Jetdoc has said, if an airline manager's lips are moving, they are lying. If you look at it from that perspective, its not hard to understand why they are maneuvering the way they are.

2. Vacation buybacks-apparently they are worried about staffing during the holidays (sustainability). It's unfortunate we have gotten to this point, and yes, bad long term strategic planning is the reason we are here. I suspect that things will stabilize for the short term, and when we get staffing levels back to where they need to be again, we will see what happens.

3. This is probably where we need to get a solid answer from the company in regards to the LOA: one of the things I d personally like to see changed in our next contract negotiations is the wording when it comes to "Operational Necessity", or least getting it clearly defined so that way we know when it truly is, versus someone is being lazy in crew planning. The ambiguity of that term means they can do it on a whim and throw the blame on ON whenever they want. Also, in regards to LCR-they were keeping the buffers high during the holiday months. Fall break is around the corner, with Thanksgiving and Christmas expect this to be the norm for the next three months until we are out of the holiday season.

4. Again, back to point 1: sustainability and profit-maintaining a right seat qualified Captain ensures that they can staff airplanes if they get into dire straights. Again they have mentioned that they are looking for volunteers right now. I do hope our fellow Captains just keep driving on and moving forward than volunteering for such a program. As a point of fact-the Company has made good on their upgrade promises for the time being, something like 8-12 a month? Maybe not enough to keep up with attrition, but that is a hard number to forecast.

***Definitely not management-just trying to throw a different perspective out there for alternate theories.
Old 09-28-2017 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Islandhopper85
Between the management having their head up their a**. The union trying their best but not really getting places, the amount of company men and flat out rats we have in both seats who will be the company’s little tattle tail these days... why would anyone stay. Spirits mins are 2000, frontier 2500, day trip express is 2500ish, virgin doesn’t even have mins published.. tell me one good reason a lot of people should stay. Your a Capt, ok get it. Your an FO gtfo dude. I don’t buy the 1000 pic. It is great and it is 1 WAY to get up the ladder. Having a bus type is another way. And I’d much rather get stuck at a LCC than a regional. No matter what the delta juice drinkers at this company say.
This is great. Thank you. We need less hat-wearing kool-aid drinking company-men at this airline.

It's amazing how high people will jump for someone who continues to treat them so poorly. Conditions don't improve until the company or mainline carriers have their hands forced. Going above and beyond and saving money, just furthers the 2nd class treatment.

However, we always need to take care of our pax and crew, within reason, that's just being a decent human being.

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Old 09-28-2017 | 09:05 AM
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https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...s-new-reality/

Be sure to read the comments at the end.

It could be far worse around here...
Old 09-28-2017 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Islandhopper85
Between the management having their head up their a**. The union trying their best but not really getting places, the amount of company men and flat out rats we have in both seats who will be the company’s little tattle tail these days... why would anyone stay. Spirits mins are 2000, frontier 2500, day trip express is 2500ish, virgin doesn’t even have mins published.. tell me one good reason a lot of people should stay. Your a Capt, ok get it. Your an FO gtfo dude. I don’t buy the 1000 pic. It is great and it is 1 WAY to get up the ladder. Having a bus type is another way. And I’d much rather get stuck at a LCC than a regional. No matter what the delta juice drinkers at this company say.
I’d still get that 1000 tpic if your currently a captain or will be shortly, if the big 5 is your goal. It may not be required but those getting hired without it are the exception and not the rule.

Recently talked to someone who left with only 500 tpic and is at an lcc and is trying to leave for a big 5 job and isn’t getting any bites.
Old 09-28-2017 | 09:44 AM
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Friend at Skywest says they're losing all their SEA DL flying shortly and it will only be a base for Alaska. Guess it makes sense for us to grow up there. They'll still fly through, but from other bases.

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Old 09-28-2017 | 09:48 AM
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Old 09-28-2017 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
This is great. Thank you. We need less hat-wearing kool-aid drinking company-men at this airline.

It's amazing how high people will jump for someone who continues to treat them so poorly. Conditions don't improve until the company or mainline carriers have their hands forced. Going above and beyond and saving money, just furthers the 2nd class treatment.

However, we always need to take care of our pax and crew, within reason, that's just being a decent human being.

End rant.
I don't really see a lot of kook-aid drinking in this forum or on the line. What I see are people who see the company has done some pretty questionable things recently, but still recognize that Compass is still not as bad as some of the hyperbole make it out to be. Moral is not great here at the moment, but it's getting better and we've taken a lot of hits from management...hits that effect us directly, that are directly a result of poor planning by management.

With that said it's a fine line to walk when "forcing their hand." Our mainline partners have other options. Other options they are considering if rumors are to be believed. Also, our CPAs while not expiring next month ARE finite. If we "force their hand" too much then we seriously run the risk of DAL/AA taking their toys to another kids house.
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