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Old 04-16-2020 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by profit
Influenza and Pneumonia is in the MIDDLE of the graph at 153/day.

COVID numbers are with lockdown mitigations, obviously.
https://public.flourish.studio/visua...AaB5PzLjLxrULk
This is likely to be a little skewed now that NY added over 3,700 in one day that weren't diagnosed at all. Might as well throw them on the COVID #'s to spike the federal dollar numbers. YHGTBSM?!?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-a...204223020.html

(Bloomberg) -- New York City added thousands of people to its coronavirus death toll to account for victims who died in recent weeks without a confirmed diagnosis.

The additional deaths -- totaling 3,778 -- pushed the city’s total to more than 10,000. ....

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Old 04-16-2020 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
This isn't about Obama vs Trump. This is about Trump vs science.... Something he continues to fight. Listen, if he had this this response out of the ballpark and saved the economy, I may have even voted for him. But it has been one CF tweet or presser after another. Hey, you remember when thousands of Americans were dying and he bragged that his press conference on the disease killing them got better ratings than the Bachelor? AYFKM?
You mean when Science was telling us in January it's no big deal, and in February when science said it really won't impact the US, and right up until March 9th that science said it wasn't going to be such as big deal in the US, and go ahead and take that cruise?

Meanwhile Trump had suspended Asia travel and declared a public health emergency back in January. I think the Democrats were still pushing impeachment while this was all brewing. 4 days after Science said it was okay to go take cruises, Trump declared a national emergency enabling use of the Stafford Act.

Not sure which media outlets you read/watch.... but he's clearly been ahead of what the science was saying. The timelines are factual and don't lie or spin. Look at what Science was saying, and what Trump was doing along a timeline; then form your own opinion.
Old 04-16-2020 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Thats an old epidemic and there’s no money in it.
they were all of the coronavirus family; and Chloroquine has been effective against all strains discovered since 2002.
Old 04-16-2020 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
You mean when Science was telling us in January it's no big deal, and in February when science said it really won't impact the US, and right up until March 9th that science said it wasn't going to be such as big deal in the US, and go ahead and take that cruise?

Meanwhile Trump had suspended Asia travel and declared a public health emergency back in January. I think the Democrats were still pushing impeachment while this was all brewing. 4 days after Science said it was okay to go take cruises, Trump declared a national emergency enabling use of the Stafford Act.

Not sure which media outlets you read/watch.... but he's clearly been ahead of what the science was saying. The timelines are factual and don't lie or spin. Look at what Science was saying, and what Trump was doing along a timeline; then form your own opinion.
Since we’re now talking politics, might as well post this now:

“The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.

We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.

We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.

We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...t-be-defeated/
Old 04-16-2020 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Since we’re now talking politics, might as well post this now:

“The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.

We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.

We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.

We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...t-be-defeated/
As I said. Take the statements and actions from scientists at WHO and Fauci, and the statements and action of Trump and look at them along the timeline. The science was still saying the virus was no big deal, while Trump had already closed off Asia travel. Media sources - like the one you just quoted - were calling the travel ban wrong and racist. Even Biden was quoted saying stopping travel was wrong.

You're posting an opinion editorial. I'm taking actual statements and facts along a timeline. I'm not telling you what to think, or what opinion to form from the information. Simply look at the actual statements and acts of the scientists and Trump along the timeline as it developed; then form your own opinion. Don't let a biased editorialist feed you an opinion to adopt. Make up your own mind on facts, not spin.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
You mean when Science was telling us in January it's no big deal, and in February when science said it really won't impact the US, and right up until March 9th that science said it wasn't going to be such as big deal in the US, and go ahead and take that cruise?

Meanwhile Trump had suspended Asia travel and declared a public health emergency back in January. I think the Democrats were still pushing impeachment while this was all brewing. 4 days after Science said it was okay to go take cruises, Trump declared a national emergency enabling use of the Stafford Act.

Not sure which media outlets you read/watch.... but he's clearly been ahead of what the science was saying. The timelines are factual and don't lie or spin. Look at what Science was saying, and what Trump was doing along a timeline; then form your own opinion.
I can’t stand Trump. Would never vote for him. I can’t however find fault with how he has handled this crisis.
Old 04-16-2020 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WutFace
It's pretty obvious why he's plugging HCQ so shamelessly. We've had 4 years to get to know this guy, and the one thing he does is promote stuff he's got a personal financial interest in. He's the master market manipulator, using the bully pulpit to swing world events for his own personal gain.

So when I made the "wild" accusation that he's personally invested in HCQ pharma because he's been plugging it for the last month, it was a foregone conclusion.

Confirmation: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...sf_akfmevaatca

Ya'll are a bunch of suckers. HCQ most likely has very little efficacy for COVID-19.
But I'm sure the president appreciates your financial contribution.
He literally has tens of dollars at stake. How do you tie your own shoes without drooling on yourself?
Old 04-16-2020 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
That link says average onset of symptoms to death is 18.5 days, and mean exposure to symptom period is 5.1 days...that gets us to 23.6 days.

Of course, one has to consider the demographics of those who ultimately succumb to COVID...the elderly, smokers, those with asthma or COPD, obese, Type II diabetes, hypertension, etc. and how that plays into that average. Yes, some younger and otherwise healthy people die from COVID but cold reality is those are statistical outliers...just as outliers exist for other common diseases like influenza.

Don't mistake the above as questioning the disease's clinical severity in some patients - I'm not - but it is disingenuous to say "look at all the people dying even with mitigation" when deaths are a trailing indicator of infection and therefore it follows deaths only decline well after infections decline.
Old 04-16-2020 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
That link says average onset of symptoms to death is 18.5 days, and mean exposure to symptom period is 5.1 days...that gets us to 23.6 days.

Of course, one has to consider the demographics of those who ultimately succumb to COVID...the elderly, smokers, those with asthma or COPD, obese, Type II diabetes, hypertension, etc. and how that plays into that average. Yes, some younger and otherwise healthy people die from COVID but cold reality is those are statistical outliers...just as outliers exist for other common diseases like influenza.

Don't mistake the above as questioning the disease's clinical severity in some patients - I'm not - but it is disingenuous to say "look at all the people dying even with mitigation" when deaths are a trailing indicator of infection and therefore it follows deaths only decline well after infections decline.
The other unreported issue is many of the Covid19 deaths would have occurred in the near term without the virus.
Old 04-16-2020 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
You mean when Science was telling us in January it's no big deal, and in February when science said it really won't impact the US, and right up until March 9th that science said it wasn't going to be such as big deal in the US, and go ahead and take that cruise?

Meanwhile Trump had suspended Asia travel and declared a public health emergency back in January. I think the Democrats were still pushing impeachment while this was all brewing. 4 days after Science said it was okay to go take cruises, Trump declared a national emergency enabling use of the Stafford Act.

Not sure which media outlets you read/watch.... but he's clearly been ahead of what the science was saying. The timelines are factual and don't lie or spin. Look at what Science was saying, and what Trump was doing along a timeline; then form your own opinion.
This is wrong on almost every count. Your news source must be OANN.

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