massgflight

Agreed. Perceived safety and mitigation is key.

horrido27

Just a question since you used the words 'ANY of us'..
Am I allowed to go outside, since I had it.. beat it.. and now Negative?

Part of this problem is we've bunched everyone into the same boat when in reality.. not everyone is the same.
Barring a cure/vaccine/herd immunity.. how long do you suggest we stay closed?
And should everywhere be closed?
Should Alaska and Hawaii be under the same restrictions as NYC and LA/SFO?

EVERYONE has to draw their own line in the sand. But from a personal experience viewpoint, we are at a tipping point where the damage to keeping the country closed is greater than the risk of CoVid19.

I drove into Queens yesterday. Saw my 87yr old mom. We both know the risks, we accept them.
But the reason I bring this up was that the park where I grew up (Juniper Valley Park in Queens) is 'technically' closed.
Easily over a hundred people there. Walking, sitting on the grass.. some in lawn chairs, others on blankets. People together and others apart.
Saw a few NYPD cars. Nothing they can do. How do you arrest a family who just wants/needs to get out of there 1000ft sq ft apartment and enjoy a beautiful spring day.. while your'e letting out criminals at the same time?

A Plan must be announced soon for a partial reopening of certain areas (with restrictions) and a timeline for other areas.
AND
It should also be announced that this opening doesn't mean that the virus is gone. That there WILL be continued cases, and continued deaths.

But funny how we can't reopen because it's 'still to dangerous... it isn't safe for any of us to be out and about"
But the USNS Comfort is leaving NYC soon?!

https://news.yahoo.com/usns-comfort-...200241276.html

You would THINK that if it dangerous, she stays.
If there is any danger in re-opening, she stays.

Things don't add up!
Ok, gotta go.. out and about~
LOL

Motch

NeverHome

Are you familiar with an Ad hominem attack?

Immaturity? Hide under a rock trembling with fear?

I have no idea who you are. I do not care who you are. As long as you keep posting links that have incomplete or incorrect information, then you need to get called out. In reality you know nothing more than what is being presented to you. There are some really great links out there. I’m actually impressed that you got a link with legit information in it. However 1) It’s preliminary, and 2) doesn’t always say what you are saying it does.

The very fact that after we have gone back and forth for a while, only to have you launch an ad hominem attack demonstrates that you are all talk and no substance. Though I disagreed with you on many points, I lost all respect for you or your argument when you decided to make a personal attack. If you ever wanted to convince me that you were correct (or mature for that matter) you have lost the opportunity.

For the rest of you that may read this, let me be clear: I want the economy opened as soon as practical. I do not want to risk the economic future of our nation on bad arguments and incomplete data. We don’t get do overs, so we better be darn sure we’re collectively making the right decision.

NeverHome

This is not a gun debate. We’re not talking about fire arms. FWIW I too have several guns. Since you have decided to bring up guns (although the economy is suffering from the fallout of a virus, not gun rights), let’s talk about that for a second. We have gun laws. Many gun owners agree with many of the gun laws. Some of them make sense and are for the common good (such as felons inability to legally purchase said weapons). I will concede that it is not a perfect system (there are some rather silly gun laws out there).

So where do I draw the line? Following laws that make sense and have shown to be a benefit to everyone. As to the silly laws, we need to continue to push our elected officials to make the necessary changes. There are gun right organizations that do just that.

But again, we’re not worried about gun rights decimating the airlines or the economy, are we?

KnockKnock

Guzzling booze, riding motorcycles without helmets and chuffing down cigarettes are not contagious. If an individual wishes to take those risks and live with the consequences, the end result is mostly confined to them. However we as a society have taken steps to prevent an individual from guzzling booze and hopping behind the wheel, to prevent death. We’ve passed laws requiring helmets while riding motorcycles, to prevent death. We’ve banned smoking in bars, restaurants, airplanes, etc. to prevent secondhand smoke which could lead to death. This has nothing to do with an individuals willingness to accept the risk of contracting the virus. It’s about protecting those around you who do not or cannot accept the risk. This is a virus, not a personal choice.

iahflyr

You could probably add an order of magnitude on to that number and it would still be safe with social distancing. There’s lots of coastline in SoCal. I was at the beach on Saturday (warmest day of the year) and I didn’t get within 20ft of another person. I didn’t see a single person infringe on another parties 6ft bubble.

The beach is not dangerous if you follow social distancing. Opening everything up like Georgia is just dumb.

MasterOfPuppets

Sure but the point I’m making is that 40,000 people went to the beach on one day.....that seems like a huge number based on the supposed fear everyone has.

people are sick of staying home.....I know I am

bluesky24

Its amazing how people are so willing to sacrifice their own freedoms and insist on taking away the freedom of others so they can feel safe. I’m afraid this kind of logic of so prevalent now in our society there may be no turning back.

ShyGuy

You're missing the point. I quoted a guy who was basically saying it's okay to give up some freedoms as long as it is the for the greater good of society. My point was where do you draw the line.

block30

Well NYC is sending the hospital ship away due to lack of need/use. Not trying to be a dick, but that ship has nowhere else to be. That thing could park there for years if the powers that be wanted it to. and it's leaving in a few days. The gigs up man.

https://www.businessinsider.com/usns-comfort-leaving-nyc-few-coronavirus-patients-three-weeks-2020-4

edit....didn't realize that was covered til I re read the thread.