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Old 08-23-2020, 10:02 AM
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People don’t get vaccinated out of altruism, they get vaccinated out of self-interest.
I disagree in this case.

I’ll assume Sonic will not come in contact with any high-risk demographics as he selfishly waltzes through his vaccine-free life.
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I disagree in this case.

I’ll assume Sonic will not come in contact with any high-risk demographics as he selfishly waltzes through his vaccine-free life.
Do you feel this way when 60,000 people die of the flu every year, or just when the news tells you to feel this way?
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Old 08-23-2020, 12:57 PM
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Well except for the fact that some people can’t be vaccinated. We go around and around with this line of thinking but because of anti-vaxxers measles is starting to re-emerge in the US. Head and neck cancers are starting to rise to a point where now they are going to start vaccinating boys as well for HPV. Look at the end of the day it likely other countries are going to declare you have to have it to enter. Their country their rules. Airlines aren’t gonna let you sit at home for the rest of your career with pay because you don’t want a vaccine.
Not quite true, it’s still way too early to say HPV is causing head and neck cancers. The CDC themselves don’t agree with that, what is a major contributor is the increase in tobacco products and that’s always been an issue with head and neck cancer. My wife has worked with head and neck cancer as her oncology specialty for the last 12 years at a leading university and unfortunately I hear all about it. That said getting the HPV vaccine is still a great idea.
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Do you feel this way when 60,000 people die of the flu every year, or just when the news tells you to feel this way?
We're not talking about the flu. A vaccine could help end this economic nightmare and save some airlines from liquidation. I'd say it's worth it if airline employees take a jab.

As far as "The News," I get mine from multiple centrist sources. You?
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We're not talking about the flu. A vaccine could help end this economic nightmare and save some airlines from liquidation. I'd say it's worth it if airline employees take a jab.

As far as "The News," I get mine from multiple centrist sources. You?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no such thing anymore.
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Old 08-23-2020, 02:11 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no such thing anymore.
Ok. If you say so.
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Old 08-23-2020, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
We're not talking about the flu. A vaccine could help end this economic nightmare and save some airlines from liquidation. I'd say it's worth it if airline employees take a jab.

As far as "The News," I get mine from multiple centrist sources. You?

Do much this none of us at the big three can survive this long term. As soon as the first one collapses the other two are in serious trouble. If one goes CH7 we are all in deep trouble as all of the other twos assists would be worthless the next day. Couple that with the stock beating you will take and we may be gone. Or we can take a shot act like adults and get the world moving again.
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Ok. If you say so.
Ok, I'd LOVE to hear what you think are "centrist" news sources.
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Or we can take a shot act like adults and get the world moving again.
REALITY. DEAL WITH IT.

We have good, well tested immunizations against illnesses that - for the healthy (enough to pass a class 1) under 65 age group as a whole - are even more deadly than COVID for that demographic. Things like Diptheria, Tetanus, Hemophilus B, influenza....

Immunization rates - exclusive of those in the military - are fairly abysmal for these things.


Influenza Vaccination

  • Influenza vaccination coverage for the 2016-17 season among adults aged >19 years was 45.4%, a 1.9 percentage points increase from the 2015-2016 season.
  • In the 2016-17 season, coverage among white adults aged >19 years (48.2%) was higher than that for black (38.5%) and Hispanic adults (37.0%).
  • Influenza vaccination coverage among adults aged >19 years with high-risk conditions was 59.7% in the 2016-17 season, similar to estimates for the 2015-16 season.
  • Among adults aged >19 years with high-risk conditions, coverage was higher among white adults (61.4%) than Hispanic adults (52.0%).
TABLE 1. Estimated proportion of adults aged ≥19 years who received influenza vaccination by race/ethnicity* and high-risk status† — National Health Interview Survey, United States, 2016-17 seasonexcel icon

Pneumococcal Vaccination

  • Pneumococcal vaccination coverage among adults aged 19-64 years at increased risk for pneumococcal disease was 24.5% in 2017, similar to the estimate for 2016.
  • Pneumococcal vaccination coverage among adults aged >65 years was 69.0% in 2017, similar to the estimate for 2016.
  • Pneumococcal vaccination coverage among white adults aged >65 years was higher than that for adults of other racial/ethnic groups.
TABLE 2. Estimated proportion of adults aged ≥19 years who ever received pneumococcal vaccination* by increased-risk status† and race/ethnicity§ — National Health Interview Survey, United States, 2017excel icon

Herpes Zoster Vaccination

  • Herpes zoster vaccination coverage was 34.9% among all adults aged >60 years, similar to the estimate for 2016.
  • Compared with the estimates for 2016, herpes zoster vaccination coverage increased 10.0 percentage points among Asian adults but remained stable in all other racial/ethnic groups.
  • White adults aged >60 years had higher herpes zoster vaccination coverage compared with adults of all other racial/ethnic groups.
TABLE 3. Estimated proportion of adults aged ≥60 years who ever received herpes zoster vaccination,* by race/ethnicity† — National Health Interview Survey, United States, 2017excel icon

Tetanus Vaccination (Td and Tdap)

  • In 2017, the proportion of adults aged >19 years reporting having received any tetanus toxoid-containing vaccination during the past 10 years was 63.4%, similar to estimates for 2016.
  • Among adults aged >19 years for whom Tdap vaccination could be assessed, Tdap vaccination in the past ten years increased from 2016 to 2017 overall and by age group.
  • Among adults aged ≥19 years, white adults had higher coverage compared with black, Hispanic, and Asian adults for any tetanus vaccine and for Tdap vaccination.
It is unlikely the rate will be better for COVID -19 in children and young adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-man...NHIS-2017.html
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
REALITY. DEAL WITH IT.

We have good, well tested immunizations against illnesses that - for the healthy (enough to pass a class 1) under 65 age group as a whole - are even more deadly than COVID for that demographic. Things like Diptheria, Tetanus, Hemophilus B, influenza....

Immunization rates - exclusive of those in the military - are fairly abysmal for these things.




It is unlikely the rate will be better for COVID -19 in children and young adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-man...NHIS-2017.html
I think it will be higher for a few reasons. For one amongst the 18-24 crowd I doubt it will be long before it mandatory for college attendance. Especially for colleges with dorms and that have large venues such as football stadiums. First responders will have to takes as well as healthcare workers.
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