Will airlines force employees get vaccine??
08-24-2020, 08:34 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by Downtime
I think it will be higher for a few reasons. For one amongst the 18-24 crowd I doubt it will be long before it mandatory for college attendance. Especially for colleges with dorms and that have large venues such as football stadiums. First responders will have to takes as well as healthcare workers.
If the very young blow off vaccination, then there will be covid hotspots at schools, stadiums, bars, etc. Pretty soon any organization or facility will be faced with either requiring vaccination for admittance, or being shut down by the government as a menace to society. At some point vaccination will be become prevalent enough that nobody will worry about alienating a non-vaccinated minority... it's either that or have their doors chained shut, so better to have some customers than none.
After the "boomer remover" parties, I don't think any government is going to have much desire to cater to the whims of callous and reckless youth.
08-24-2020, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
No. There is centrist media. You just refuse to accept the research. Good day.
08-24-2020, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
What research? Because I question your sources, you assume I “refuse the accept the research”? Again, what research? From what sources?
You have no idea what I do or do not believe with regard to Covid 19 other than the fact that the coverage and the data have been manipulated for political purpose by BOTH sides of the aisle (which is patently obvious to anybody with a shred of intellectual honesty).
But like most moral narcissists, you believe only you are smart enough to know “the truth.” So, tell me who these “centrist sources” are so we can read them too and perhaps inch closer to your superior intellect.
You have no idea what I do or do not believe with regard to Covid 19 other than the fact that the coverage and the data have been manipulated for political purpose by BOTH sides of the aisle (which is patently obvious to anybody with a shred of intellectual honesty).
But like most moral narcissists, you believe only you are smart enough to know “the truth.” So, tell me who these “centrist sources” are so we can read them too and perhaps inch closer to your superior intellect.
Here is the link, although at this point I’m obviously wasting my time.
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-...ia-bias-chart/
Explain how I am a "Moral Narcissist," by claiming to know "the truth." I trust the opinions of educated people who are experts in their fields. I trust reputable news sources. I avoid fringe conspiracy sources. I also expect good citizens to do their part to end this pandemic. To wear masks, wash their hands and follow CDC guidance. And to get a vaccine when one is available. If not, they can go about their lives -- as long as they don't interact with me. Same with measles.
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08-24-2020, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
I’ll take a vaccine if I have to in order to work, but there is no way I’d support giving my wife and 2 small kids a vaccine that is rushed with out the proper TIME to evaluate if there are side effects. You can say it’s selfish all you want, but I don’t trust big pharm, and I certainly don’t trust that anyone knows what the long term impacts are.
this is also about money. Whoever gets it out first gets the big bucks.......no way brother. No ****ing way
this is also about money. Whoever gets it out first gets the big bucks.......no way brother. No ****ing way
The only "short cut" they took for covid was to remove all financial and bureaucratic barriers to progress. We also benefited from computer-based genetic modelling and engineering, so no need for lengthy guesswork to try to "find" the right biochemistry... instead of "finding" it, they simply built it, in one case within hours of the virus DNA model being made available. That could have taken years in the past but now all they have to do is the clinical trials, some of which are already in phase 3.
Understanding the process takes a lot of the mystery out of. Of course if you wait five years to get a vaccine, there's a very minuscule but real possibility that some problem might come to light down the road. But you take a lot of other risks in life anyway... driving to work on the freeway is statistically far more dangerous than taking an approved vaccine.
08-24-2020, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Downtime
Right the decision to cancel football cost those schools millions. Student dorms are one of colleges biggest money makers. They want those back ASAP. If you think college kids are gonna day I am gonna forgo the on campus life for online school over a vaccine you have never met an 18 year old. They are not even scared of the virus you think a vaccine is gonna worry them.
https://thecollegepost.com/us-colleges-perish-covid/
The business offices damn sure are:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...iness-officers
And at least half of the undergrads can get pretty much all their freshmen classes and a majority of their distribution requirements online.
08-24-2020, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They are actually not short-cutting the normal regulatory test and approval process. Early on I thought they might if things were bad enough, and the executive branch does have that authority, but they (including most foriegn governments) are sticking to the established process. For example, emergency approval was IIRC used for an ebola treatment a few years ago during the last big outbreak.
The only "short cut" they took for covid was to remove all financial and bureaucratic barriers to progress. We also benefited from computer-based genetic modelling and engineering, so no need for lengthy guesswork to try to "find" the right biochemistry... instead of "finding" it, they simply built it, in one case within hours of the virus DNA model being made available. That could have taken years in the past but now all they have to do is the clinical trials, some of which are already in phase 3.
Understanding the process takes a lot of the mystery out of. Of course if you wait five years to get a vaccine, there's a very minuscule but real possibility that some problem might come to light down the road. But you take a lot of other risks in life anyway... driving to work on the freeway is statistically far more dangerous than taking an approved vaccine.
The only "short cut" they took for covid was to remove all financial and bureaucratic barriers to progress. We also benefited from computer-based genetic modelling and engineering, so no need for lengthy guesswork to try to "find" the right biochemistry... instead of "finding" it, they simply built it, in one case within hours of the virus DNA model being made available. That could have taken years in the past but now all they have to do is the clinical trials, some of which are already in phase 3.
Understanding the process takes a lot of the mystery out of. Of course if you wait five years to get a vaccine, there's a very minuscule but real possibility that some problem might come to light down the road. But you take a lot of other risks in life anyway... driving to work on the freeway is statistically far more dangerous than taking an approved vaccine.
08-24-2020, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They are actually not short-cutting the normal regulatory test and approval process. Early on I thought they might if things were bad enough, and the executive branch does have that authority, but they (including most foriegn governments) are sticking to the established process. For example, emergency approval was IIRC used for an ebola treatment a few years ago during the last big outbreak.
The only "short cut" they took for covid was to remove all financial and bureaucratic barriers to progress. We also benefited from computer-based genetic modelling and engineering, so no need for lengthy guesswork to try to "find" the right biochemistry... instead of "finding" it, they simply built it, in one case within hours of the virus DNA model being made available. That could have taken years in the past but now all they have to do is the clinical trials, some of which are already in phase 3.
Understanding the process takes a lot of the mystery out of. Of course if you wait five years to get a vaccine, there's a very minuscule but real possibility that some problem might come to light down the road. But you take a lot of other risks in life anyway... driving to work on the freeway is statistically far more dangerous than taking an approved vaccine.
The only "short cut" they took for covid was to remove all financial and bureaucratic barriers to progress. We also benefited from computer-based genetic modelling and engineering, so no need for lengthy guesswork to try to "find" the right biochemistry... instead of "finding" it, they simply built it, in one case within hours of the virus DNA model being made available. That could have taken years in the past but now all they have to do is the clinical trials, some of which are already in phase 3.
Understanding the process takes a lot of the mystery out of. Of course if you wait five years to get a vaccine, there's a very minuscule but real possibility that some problem might come to light down the road. But you take a lot of other risks in life anyway... driving to work on the freeway is statistically far more dangerous than taking an approved vaccine.
This is based off simple common sense, I'm not invested in any of these companies.
08-24-2020, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That would be unconstitutional.
But employees can require it (unions should fight it) and FAA can require it maybe (AOPA should fight that).
There is no reason it should be forced on anyone. Plenty of people will take it willingly so herd immunity is achieved.
But employees can require it (unions should fight it) and FAA can require it maybe (AOPA should fight that).
There is no reason it should be forced on anyone. Plenty of people will take it willingly so herd immunity is achieved.
However, the vaccine would have to be approved by the FDA as safe and effective, and the law would have to require exceptions for those who have contraindications to the vaccine. A law that authorizes mandatory vaccination to prevent dangerous contagious diseases in the absence of an epidemic, such as the school immunization requirement would probably also be upheld as long as (1) the disease still exists in the population where it can spread and cause serious injury to those infected, and (2) a safe and effective vaccine could prevent transmission to others.
Please explain how that is unconstitutional. By your logic, a speed limit is unconstitutional.
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