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Old 04-03-2021, 03:52 PM
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Coersing a person to participate in human experimentation violates the Nuremberg code. This won't be a factor once the vaccines are FDA approved, but right now they're still experimental.
Nobody (in the US) is being "coersed" to take a vaccine.

There may eventually be some consequences for not doing so, but no sign of that yet and it will start overseas first. Good chance the whole thing will blow over before you see vaccination requirements for things like employment in the US.

If you fly international, you're more likely than most other workers to have a hard mandate (due to foriegn entry requirements). Your employer cannot of course force you to get a vaccine, but they sure don't have to pay you to not fly.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:12 AM
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boy you are easily triggered. Just pointing out that there are lots of anecdotal long Covid stories but no actual evidence of abnormal impacts or anything out of line with long term effects from other viruses and illness. Sheesh.
Well it IS anecdotal at this point but it’s anecdotal among people I KNOW. First hand stories that do not sound fun.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:22 AM
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Nobody (in the US) is being "coersed" to take a vaccine.
You might consider the 24/7 barrage of “Vaccines are safe, do your part, your killing granny, you’re a super spreader, we can’t get back to normal until YOU have been vaccinated!” borders on coercion. They beat you down until you agree that you hate part of the problem. You didn’t want the vaccine, but know you’ve been shamed, shunned and coerced into doing your “part”.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:38 AM
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You might consider the 24/7 barrage of “Vaccines are safe, do your part, your killing granny, you’re a super spreader, we can’t get back to normal until YOU have been vaccinated!” borders on coercion. They beat you down until you agree that you hate part of the problem. You didn’t want the vaccine, but know you’ve been shamed, shunned and coerced into doing your “part”.
Man Up. If you're peer-pressured into doing something you don't want to do, that's your problem. This isn't the 4th grade anymore.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:43 AM
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Man Up. If you're peer-pressured into doing something you don't want to do, that's your problem. This isn't the 4th grade anymore.
This. That is just society’s reaction and the desire to be done with all of this. You are still super duper free to do what you want.
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Man Up. If you're peer-pressured into doing something you don't want to do, that's your problem. This isn't the 4th grade anymore.
I’m not talking about myself, I have zero intention of getting the vaccine....but the millions of sheep in this country are a different story.
That sheep mentality is what our political system thrives off of.


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I’m not talking about myself, I have zero intention of getting the vaccine....but the millions of sheep in this country are a different story.
That sheep mentality is what our political system thrives off of.


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Are you saying people who desire/choose to receive a COVID vaccine are "sheep"?

Or simply that people who feel "pressured" into getting a vaccine they are initially hesitant about are "sheep"?
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Are you saying people who desire/choose to receive a COVID vaccine are "sheep"?

Or simply that people who feel "pressured" into getting a vaccine they are initially hesitant about are "sheep"?
People who aren’t able to think for themselves. Feel like you want the shot....go get it! Don’t want the shot....don’t get it.
But don’t blindly listen to the dribble and find yourself in making a decision against your own informed decision making.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Nobody (in the US) is being "coersed" to take a vaccine.

There may eventually be some consequences for not doing so, but no sign of that yet and it will start overseas first. Good chance the whole thing will blow over before you see vaccination requirements for things like employment in the US.

If you fly international, you're more likely than most other workers to have a hard mandate (due to foriegn entry requirements). Your employer cannot of course force you to get a vaccine, but they sure don't have to pay you to not fly.

I dont think it will go as far as countries requiring vaccine mandates/passports for entry. I know the TV, internet mainstream news is saying this because they hope many will just go get vaccinated. It all depends on where you fly to. A widebody guy flying to Asia and parts of EU may run into that issue. Closer to home such as Mexico and Caribbean I dont see going that far to require mandated vaccines due to in part of these places weigh heavily on US tourism dollars for revenue. The mandated vaccine passport is becoming a big debate now. Mexico for the past year doesnt even require a negative covid test for entry and CUN, SJD are full of tourists and that means dollars. Mexico is aware of this, carribbean islands as well. They wont be shutting off tourists anytime soon as that will take a major hit in those dollars they desperately need for their recovery. Vaccine mandates and passports for vaccines would be a step back for those dollars. I personally know 6 people from the US and Spain that have packed up and left to spend longterm in Playa del carmen/tulum to get away from the BS and they said its very nice and free there right now.
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Old 04-05-2021, 06:35 AM
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I dont think it will go as far as countries requiring vaccine mandates/passports for entry. I know the TV, internet mainstream news is saying this because they hope many will just go get vaccinated. It all depends on where you fly to. A widebody guy flying to Asia and parts of EU may run into that issue. Closer to home such as Mexico and Caribbean I dont see going that far to require mandated vaccines due to in part of these places weigh heavily on US tourism dollars for revenue. The mandated vaccine passport is becoming a big debate now. Mexico for the past year doesnt even require a negative covid test for entry and CUN, SJD are full of tourists and that means dollars. Mexico is aware of this, carribbean islands as well. They wont be shutting off tourists anytime soon as that will take a major hit in those dollars they desperately need for their recovery. Vaccine mandates and passports for vaccines would be a step back for those dollars. I personally know 6 people from the US and Spain that have packed up and left to spend longterm in Playa del carmen/tulum to get away from the BS and they said its very nice and free there right now.
I agree that Mexico and Latin America will probably not want to restrict their tourist trade with a vaccine mandate. The one to watch is Canada, they've been very anal about this whole thing and if they mandate it, that will catch most US domestic crew.
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