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Old 11-03-2020 | 12:45 PM
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They also limited rural speed limits to 65 and didn't lift all federal speed limit controls until '95
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...20and%20Oregon

Regardless, the point is there is constitutional precedence for the federal govt to enact public safety laws, and certainly support, and even strong arm, certain public safety laws. I think Trump doesn't take the public health measures seriously. If you like what's going on, vote for him. If you don't, vote for the other guy. I'd rather people just own up to it than make excuses about how it's the states' sole responsibility.
And maybe even further evidence of the states authority, the states got to decide the penalties for breaking the speed limit - a buddy from Montana told me (not sure if this was true) that the penalty for speeding on the highway at one time was a $5 fine and no points. But they could say they had implemented the federal speed limit.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 12:59 PM
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And maybe even further evidence of the states authority, the states got to decide the penalties for breaking the speed limit - a buddy from Montana told me (not sure if this was true) that the penalty for speeding on the highway at one time was a $5 fine and no points. But they could say they had implemented the federal speed limit.
So, no other president could do a better job of enforcing and supporting public health measures during this pandemic?

The argument is that I don't think Trump took the public health measures seriously and I think other people could do a lot better. All the arguments against me so far have revolved around "it's the states responsibilities' to pass public safety laws," so is everyone saying they approve of Trump's handling of the virus because it's so far outside his lane he can't do anything or because you think masks are stupid and the health measures are all smoke and mirrors, so you support his laissez faire approach because you see it as shielding from BS? I'm genuinely curious.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:15 PM
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So, no other president could do a better job of enforcing and supporting public health measures during this pandemic?

The argument is that I don't think Trump took the public health measures seriously and I think other people could do a lot better. All the arguments against me so far have revolved around "it's the states responsibilities' to pass public safety laws," so is everyone saying they approve of Trump's handling of the virus because it's so far outside his lane he can't do anything or because you think masks are stupid and the health measures are all smoke and mirrors, so you support his laissez faire approach?
Someone else said it best - virus gonna virus. I love how you think if only Trump would have said how serious this was and we had all wore our common sense inhibitors in the supermarket, none of this would have happened...All of this stuff you want to do - lock down, distance, close everything - it is all just delaying the inevitable AT BEST. None of it gets rid of the virus, it only delays it (and that is if you believe masks do anything, of which there is no scientific proof - just lots of "anectdotal evidence" that counts for proof in our TODAY show mentality these days).

Laissez faire approach? hysterical. What did you want him to do? We needed ventilators? He forced GM to build ventilators. Now we have so many we don't know what to do with them. Hospitals? did we need more hospital beds? Like this?

.https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients

Do you think him saying "hey everybody, this is really bad and serious" would have made some kind of difference? Like maybe it would have been MONTHS before I could get toilet paper rather than weeks? Would that have helped somehow?

and by the way, FWIW I didn't vote for the guy and not defending him per se, just the silly idea that this is somehow his fault.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:32 PM
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Someone else said it best - virus gonna virus. I love how you think if only Trump would have said how serious this was and we had all wore our common sense inhibitors in the supermarket, none of this would have happened...All of this stuff you want to do - lock down, distance, close everything - it is all just delaying the inevitable AT BEST. None of it gets rid of the virus, it only delays it (and that is if you believe masks do anything, of which there is no scientific proof - just lots of "anectdotal evidence" that counts for proof in our TODAY show mentality these days).

Laissez faire approach? hysterical. What did you want him to do? We needed ventilators? He forced GM to build ventilators. Now we have so many we don't know what to do with them. Hospitals? did we need more hospital beds? Like this?

.https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/85171...id-19-patients

Do you think him saying "hey everybody, this is really bad and serious" would have made some kind of difference? Like maybe it would have been MONTHS before I could get toilet paper rather than weeks? Would that have helped somehow?

and by the way, FWIW I didn't vote for the guy and not defending him per se, just the silly idea that this is somehow his fault.
That tells me everything I need. I have a completely different view. Both my wife and her mom are epidemiologists, so I've been getting unfiltered data this entire time.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:35 PM
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That tells me everything I need. I have a completely different view. Both my wife and her mom are epidemiologists, so I've been getting unfiltered data this entire time.
There sure are a lot of epidemiologists out there huh? Who knew so many pilots were somehow tied to one.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
That tells me everything I need. I have a completely different view. Both my wife and her mom are epidemiologists, so I've been getting unfiltered data this entire time.
they hiding in the basement?
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:40 PM
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There sure are a lot of epidemiologists out there huh? Who knew so many pilots were somehow tied to one.
Aside from me, who else?
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
There sure are a lot of epidemiologists out there huh? Who knew so many pilots were somehow tied to one.
pilots are the biggest bunch of white-lie tellers on the planet! Ever here of the 10% truth rule? That’s for pilots.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 01:49 PM
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they hiding in the basement?
Largely working from home, minimizing trips out when they know spikes are coming. I mean, we've got 40% passenger loads on good days, so I'd say consumer confidence is not good.
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Old 11-03-2020 | 02:07 PM
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Largely working from home, minimizing trips out when they know spikes are coming. I mean, we've got 40% passenger loads on good days, so I'd say consumer confidence is not good.
most of the domestic and Mexico flights I’ve flown are 70-85% full... occasional 65-70% but an equal number of 95%+ loads. Compared to last years capacity we are flying 45% of flights... but at this reduced capacity flights are filling up. Flights in/out of California and NY are the worst... probably due to lack of intl connecting passengers.
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