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Old 11-11-2020 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
....will lead to a generation of people thinking that it's ok to act like Eric Cartman when they don't get their way.
We just went through a summer of rioting, where have you been?
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Old 11-11-2020 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
THIS. His tax cuts didn't end up increasing revenue at all while the budget remained the same.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020...ay-for-itself/

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...nalysis-430781

In other words, we're going to have to pay back all those tax cuts, with interest, eventually.


He also bragged about not paying taxes by exploiting government loopholes that were either placed by accident or design, then he got elected, and rather than fixing the loopholes, he just continued to exploit them. I get that politicians are slimy, terrible people, but just because he was an outsider doesn't mean he was any better, and his policies reflect that.


Meanwhile, rather than reforming Obamacare so Americans have healthcare, he just gutted it with no replacement plan, and likely no intention of replacing it. What makes that really ****ed up, is that we rely on private insurance, which is fine, but private insurance is literally a pool of money that everyone chips into. It's literally more expensive socialized medicine with extra steps! By introducing this free-market, private entity into the mix, the market will drive them to do everything they can to deny payments while maximizing revenue. So if you lose your job, can't afford the $1k/month premium, or fall through the many cracks that are in the system by design to exploit the people who need insurance the most, you're now bankrupt. Obamacare wasn't perfect, but it was better than that. Watching people cheer the gutting of our healthcare was like the "Lisa needs braces" episode of the Simpsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqtBm_oUpc
You do know the “loophole” Trump used was part of Obama’s stimulus package negotiated by.....Joe Biden?
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Old 11-11-2020 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
American should break apart like Yugoslavia.
Yes it would be best if we were regionalized.

Unfortunately the divide is no longer north east vs south east vs midwest vs northwest etc.....


The ideological divide is now urban vs non-urban.
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Old 11-11-2020 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
I think that's a reasonable position because it's fully accepting reality for what it is.

I'm concerned that Trump's behavior, especially when he's caught red-handed, will lead to a generation of people thinking that it's ok to act like Eric Cartman when they don't get their way.
That's a joke, right? You think businesses were boarding up yet again, because they were worried about Trump voters?
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Old 11-12-2020 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Yes it would be best if we were regionalized.

Unfortunately the divide is no longer north east vs south east vs midwest vs northwest etc.....


The ideological divide is now urban vs non-urban.
More like urban vs country, I think. The suburbs are actually purple, and in a few years could turn blue as more and more people are moving there from the urban areas.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
That's a joke, right? You think businesses were boarding up yet again, because they were worried about Trump voters?
I suspect that if you did a poll of armed militia members, doomsday preppers, those itching for a civil war and white supremacists, you' d find that the OVERWHELMING majority of them are conservatives and/or Trump voters.

More of a threat than Islamic terrorists according to the FBI, armed militias and white supremacists are the clear and present danger that exists in our country today.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
I suspect that if you did a poll of armed militia members, doomsday preppers, those itching for a civil war and white supremacists, you' d find that the OVERWHELMING majority of them are conservatives and/or Trump voters.

More of a threat than Islamic terrorists according to the FBI, armed militias and white supremacists are the clear and present danger that exists in our country today.
The biggest threat is extremist liberals.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
The biggest threat is extremist liberals.


Bless your heart.


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Old 11-12-2020 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
The ideological divide is now urban vs non-urban.
More like educated vs. non-educated, secular vs. evangelical and critical thinking vs. gullible.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
The biggest threat is extremist liberals.
I suspect this is the result of fear mongering from your chosen news source. ANTIFA has killed one person in 25 years, and it was a self-described ANTIFA member, not a part of a larger plot. Right wing extremists have been responsible for the majority of domestic terrorism in recent years, including killing cops to incite a civil war.

Also, I'm in no way condoning the riots, but I wasn't able to find a single incident where residential property was significantly damaged. The narrative that roving gangs are coming after the peaceful suburbs is not true and, quite frankly, tone deaf to the real issues.

People have a right to protest and a lot of people in this country have a right and a reason to be frustrated. A cop got caught murdering someone and after weeks of protesting it still wasn't clear if that cop will actually face justice and if any real change will result to fix a system that is blatantly unconstitutional.

Unfortunately, anarchists from both sides took advantage of the chaos and a bunch of organizations piled on their own narratives from all sides that far exceed the scope of police accountability, completely distracting everyone from the real issue, which I suspect was at least a few organizations' goal all along. To be fair, other organizations were trying to piggy back their own unrelated issues as well.

I'd be far more worried about some armed alt-right militia trying to trigger a civil war (again) than thugs ravaging the suburbs. Putting some meaningful thought into police reform (not defunding) instead of just waiting for the outrage to die down so nobody has to actually fix the issues, would probably fix the problem the fastest.
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