rickair7777

If you knew anything about it at all you'd know they're interested in efficacy duration. Actually if you simply read *and comprehended* what you quoted you'd know that, because your quote says it.

Even so it doesn't hurt that the bureaucrats to monitor for longer-term safety just to say they did. Nobody actually expects any long-term safety problems at this point, would have turned up already (exceptionally high probability).

Flyinguy

Whoops, yea, you caught me skimming. You got me me there.

But surely you would understand the hesitation on trusting an entity who has many times (that 60 minutes example is just a very relatable example) inspired by fear/panic, either acted before knowing all facets or knew them and were willing to risk it (which is slightly more understandable if the risks weren’t hidden/lied about as they commonly are).

Give me the info, let me decide the risk/reward, and don’t shame, or propaganda to shame/influence my decision.

If the private company wants to ban non-vaccinated folks, I don’t care. Capitalism will sort that out. But the govt should have no official say nor should they incentivize or punish to attain their will. But that’s a whole different topic.

rickair7777

I've put a lot of effort in digesting the available info from the perspective of someone with previous professional experience and sharing that here, because while most of our lives don't depend on vaccines, most of our careers do (not counting cargo). I certainly don't have all the answers but I have a good understanding of the left and right lateral limits of technical reality, and also the statistical odds in the grey areas. At this point the vaccines are good, probability of long-term effects negligible, and we really only have to worry about covid mutations... but even then it's not particularly easy to mutate a core functional component (the spike) and still have it work well on your victims.

If the vaccines targeted some other part of the virus then mutations might be more of a risk. Analogy: consider an anti-tank weapon that targets the tank's heat signature. You might be able to mask the signature and evade the weapon. But if the weapon targets the tank's gun barrel, that's harder... that's core functionality of the tank, and it's hard to hide or modify.

I've said that many times. Also pointed out that it doesn't apply outside our borders, which could be an issue for some.

rickair7777

Use of fake vaccine cards punishable by five years federal time, due to fraudulent use of a federal seal. Better get a fake card with another country's logo, don't think FBI has jurisdiction there. Or maybe the Disney logo or something.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/10042...one-is-a-crime

rickair7777

NYC to hold sold-out rock concerts for vaccinated people only, questions arise about how they can actually screen that many people...

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/10043...orkers-in-june

GeeWizDriver

The vaccine card my flight attendant showed me this week didn't have any "seal" on it. Just a boilerplate "Vaccination Record" card with her information handwritten, a sticker with the store number of the CVS where she got it, and a signature of the person who administered it.

And what do the people who got the jab early in the rollout do? There was no computerized data entry system. It was a free-for-all. Trying to enforce anything on this front strikes me as problematic.

AZFlyer

How about those of us who had Covid but no vaccine? I had covid 2 months ago. I'm now immune. And more and more info is suggesting that my naturally obtained immunity is just as good, perhaps better, than that obtained via vaccination. No credit for that? I don't need the poke.

rickair7777

For most, but not all, recipients they collected your health insurance and recorded it there electronically (which is a normal federal requirement).

The article was talking about enforcement IF you used a fake vaccine card AND it had a federal seal on it. That's the federal felony. Not sure about a generic fake card, although there might be state laws about that. I'm not envisioning much enforcement either.

rickair7777

They'll probably give credit eventually when they have more data on how reliable that is and how long it lasts... natural immunity is known to be less predictable than vaccine-induced immunity. Or maybe it will all blow over by then.

Learflyer

Looks like the "Ayes" are still winning.