You’ve got to be kidding. The number of pilots that receive rubber stamps on their medical is what makes that whole program a joke. Just count the number of folks in the terminal who can’t see their toes or are dragging CPAP gear. We’re an unhealthy lot.

But my point was getting a physician to support a COVID vax aversion with some condition is no different than finding one who would support some medical problem that prohibits a class I.

Do you have xray vision to see in people's bags? Are you aware that you can have sleep apnea without being overweight and it that it has to go through OKC and absolutely can't be rubber stamped? This isn't the Blue Angels we fly airliners.

Disagree. There are a whole lot of guys looking for the “good” flight docs. There are a whole lot of things that can make you fail a medical. And your right. The blue angels don’t have any familys on board. In fact the last one I saw crash was the only fatality. I for one hope the standard is very high for physical and mental fitness of pilots carrying people.

Nope. They’ll come back whenever they are physically able to pass the class 1 again. Might be months. Might be years. They’ll keep their line numbers too. A company has a choice to work with people or not. They get to suffer the consequences as well. If you couldn’t see this coming you didn’t notice that the sept 27 cutoff was JUST before the new LTD kicked in. Hmmm. Wonder if the company saw it coming too?

Question? Did you faint in the last six months? Hummmm...yup! Good by!

They can pass their Class I's NOW. The only reason LTD came up is that vaccine refusal isn't a qualifying disability under the UAL LTD plan. Read the contractual language. It's crystal clear.

IIRC the 27 Sep date was 5 weeks after Pfizer gained FDA approval. That was per the LOA.

Yes there are some wink wink examiners, but there are also some examiners who don't know the system or put forth any effort to help with an issue, such as one that could be resolved with a phone call.

We already have a standard in place that satisfies the FAA, they are not concerned with what you are hoping for.

I dunno man. I read 24-H-5 as completely covering someone with a bonafide medical condition that prevents them from being vaccinated. Are you reading something else?

For those people seems like they would have a legitimate beef if they weren’t able to claim LTD.

The point is they don’t want to pass their physicals. They want to have a choice as to whether or not they get this vaccine. They’ll find another problem to go out on if they have to. By the way. Where in the LoA is the mandatory vaccine? The LOA specifically said the company wouldn’t make it mandatory. Said loa is now terminated.

You qualify if you are:
I don't see how not wanting to take the vaccine meets that requirement. The COVID vaccination isn't related to our fitness for a Class I. On Oct 15th a pilot with a medical exemption is in exactly the same position relative to their Class I as they were on Sept 1st. Seems straightforward to me. How do you read this?